Life, Health & The Universe
Life, health and the universe are all connected. In a world where we are more connected than ever, we have become disconnected from ourselves. In this podcast, along with guests, I discuss ideas in a celebration of life, an exploration of health and some wonderment of the universe.
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Life, Health & The Universe
Chris Burres: This Secret Elixir Could Be The Key To Living Longer!
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Curious about how a Nobel Prize-winning molecule could extend your life?
We had the pleasure of sitting down with Chris Burres, the mastermind behind My VitalC. Chris shares his eye-opening experiences from his recent Longevity Summit, where he interviewed leading health experts like Ben Greenfield and Dr. Stephen Gundry. Not just a personal quest, Chris’s mission is driven by a desire to share these invaluable insights with the world. His podcast's meteoric rise to the top 10 in iTunes' alternative health category underscores his knack for making complex topics both engaging and accessible.
Do you know, mindset matters just as much as taking any sort of supplement?
Chris breaks it down, highlighting the foundational health practices you should master first. From getting standardised blood tests, to soaking in that morning sunlight, he stresses the impact of small, manageable habits that can make a world of difference. The importance of grounding and simple daily routines like a morning walk are laid out clearly, but even these things supported by the best supplements won't make a dent without the right mindset. It’s these consistent, small actions that build the momentum for long-lasting well-being.
Prepare to be amazed as we journey through the discovery of the ESS-60 molecule, an extraordinary compound with profound implications for health and longevity. Chris narrates its fascinating origins in astrophysics, its surprising life-extending properties, and the rigorous manufacturing process that ensures its safety and efficacy. He dives into the versatile ways this molecule can be consumed and shares the innovative applications, from deep sleep aids to exercise recovery. Wrapping up, we ponder the cosmic forces that align in our pursuit of a longer, healthier life, leaving you with a sense of wonder about the universe's role in our well-being.
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Hello, it's Nadine here, and I'm here with this week's episode of Life, health and the Universe, and today I'm going to testing my pronunciation. I'm joined by Chris Burress. Yes, we got it. Yes, welcome, chris. Great to have you here.
Speaker 2:Nadine, thank you so much for having me. Life, health, the universe oh, I got a lot to live up in this episode.
Speaker 1:There's a lot here. Well, let's see where the conversation takes us. I'm going to start with an intro of you and then we'll try and unpack some of the topics of life, health and the universe in relation to you and your work. So, Chris, you are a published author and your book is Live Longer and Better. You're host of a health summit called Uncovering the Secrets to Longevity and you're a patent holder. With a surprising twist, You're not just a visionary scientist, but you're also a master of comedy improv, which I'm kind of curious about, and I'm sure that will make our conversation fun. You're the founder and chief scientist at my Vital C, where you manufacture a Nobel Prize-winning molecule responsible for the single longest longevity experimental result in history a full 90% extension of life. I'm very keen to hear more about that. You're at the intersection where science meets laughter and your life's mission is to help people live longer, healthier, happier, pain-free lives with science. Welcome.
Speaker 2:Nadine, thank you so much. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to dive in. I can't make any comedy promises. There's also some health promises I won't be able to make as we go through this, but this is going to be great.
Speaker 1:I think that, like, the fact that you are into comedy probably means that you're fairly upbeat, which always makes for a fun conversation, regardless of whether we actually get into you telling any jokes, right, but yeah, welcome. Is there anything you want to add before we get stuck into this conversation, malcolm?
Speaker 2:is there anything you want to add? Before we get stuck into this conversation, I'll add this is really kind of recent and exciting. So I took those, I did the longevity summit and we may talk about this a little bit more for two reasons One, extremely selfish I wanted to interview these experts and I wanted to learn information. And then two kind of more altruistic when I acquire information, I really feel compelled to to learn information. And then two, kind of more altruistic when I acquire information, I really feel compelled to share that information. And so that went out in the Longevity Summit, which had a moderate fee. I decided to release all of those on my podcast. So those are being released as we speak.
Speaker 2:I think I'm a month and three days having started the podcast. We started on the 13th. Oh, I'm just one day short. So we started off on June 13th and that podcast has been a top 10 podcast for iTunes alternative health podcasts really since day three and that's continuing. I keep glancing at it. You know sometimes you get like overwhelmed with, like I got to keep checking. You know, I, I I feel this looming sense that it's going to fall off, but it's still holding strong, so I'm really excited about that, um, and and so that would be the only thing that I'd add. That's new is that, um, I'm delivering more and more value to more people.
Speaker 1:Fabulous, Amazing, and don't you think, um, like I'll just get straight into the universe side of things, which wasn't my plan. But with your podcast, like just the fact that you've got this amazing momentum, that's almost like a message from the universe this is your, the direction, right when things kind of when you hit dead ends or you're not sure what to do and your book kind of touches on this as well it's like you just wait for the signs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, there's so much to unpack there. As an example and I think what you're saying is exactly true and this fits perfectly when I was first contemplating doing the summit again, first for selfish reasons and then sharing it for altruistic reasons the organization that I was working with I mean, if you had said, hey, chris, you're going to interview 55 people, that's how many people I interviewed no-transcript, maybe even worse. To begin with, the organization I was working with, healthmean, said listen, you need to interview 35 to 40 experts. And in my little mind I was like I think I can do 25 and hopefully they won't be that angry with me and I ended up interviewing 55, including the aforementioned Ben Greenfield, dave Astor, dr Stephen Gundry, and so, yeah, it's just something that I feel like the universe put into place.
Speaker 2:That was a lot of hard work. I've got a team that has helped. In fact, at one point somebody was like hey, chris, you've got all these interviews. It was one of the experts I was interviewing Are you doing this all by yourself? And my first kind of small-minded thought was like, yeah, I am doing this all myself because I was connecting with the speakers, I was coordinating the times and all this and then, like I don't know, a minute later, I'm like, wait a minute, as I'm in here recording all of this, doing all of these things. My company is still running, products are still going out the door, five-star customer service is still happening. So no, I didn't do it all by myself. But yeah, I think the universe puts these things and aligns them and if you're willing to do some hard work, then you come out on the other side. You know better.
Speaker 1:Amazing. I was really excited to start reading your book and listen to some of your podcasts and learn a little bit more about you, because I'm very familiar with those names Dave Asprey, stephen Gundry, ben Greenfield, to name a few. They're the top three that have come up Because I am very much into longevity, the idea of, you know, living as long as possible, and so I've thought that that would probably be a great place for us to start the conversation. I have to say, when I saw you know that the bio that I just read out I was like, oh my God, I was a bit like a child in a in a lolly shop. You know, I was like I don't know what to pick, where to start, and I want to make sure that we touch on all of the important bits in the time that we've got. My hope is that it goes in some kind of organized fashion, but I can't guarantee it.
Speaker 2:Neither one of us can guarantee that no.
Speaker 1:So I went, so I went through and I thought let's start with longevity, let's go big picture. So my own personal experience I have to say that for me, when it comes to longevity, I haven't gone very deep into like the or super deep into like all the supplementation and some of the more complex practices. I, my main ones are intermittent fasting, sauna, cold plunge, low tox living, you know, morning and afternoon, sunlight, regular movement, those kinds of things, sort of the things that we can, we can all do without needing any external things. But I'm definitely curious to find out about um supplements, yours in particular, and how that came about and how, uh, what its impact is on longevity.
Speaker 1:There is a lot, there are a lot of supplements out there and you know Dave Asprey is a perfect example. He's like the king of biohacking and he sometimes posts on his socials pictures of the pots full of supplements that he takes. So it it's a real minefield and it's like what do I if I was going to choose one? Yours sounds pretty good, like, but but like what are the pros and cons and do we need all of them? Like, I didn't really ask any questions, but I think with that, like I've kind of opened up a topic I, I like that.
Speaker 2:So I mean one of the things that I would say about supplement like having interviewed it's, it's. I've continued to interview people after the 55, so I'm probably somewhere at like 65 and that's just going to keep growing. I just got four more scheduled. I'm really selfishly excited and then altruistically excited as well, I think before you start thinking about so there's some supplementation that is kind of almost mandatory, right, and I think the best thing to do is go get your general health practitioners a standardized blood test that is delivered by insurance here in Australia. So you'd like I think these things are probably included and understand if you have any deficiencies and take care of those deficiencies, right. So those, that's the easy, super easy win. And then after that, if you're starting to get into these more complex things even even my vital C or NMN, or you're considering resveratrol there's so many things that you probably should do before those. It's so easy to take the pill, but the reality is a lot of the stuff that you're doing Nadine is really valuable, right, like getting that exposure to the sunlight in the morning, doing some cold plunging. I don't know what part of Australia you are. I'm in Houston. I really can't take a cold shower. Like, literally, we didn't have electricity the other day and my wife took a shower and she's like I took a warm shower. It's like, how'd you do that? Because you need electricity for our for our little hot water heater to fire up and she goes well, it's Houston, a cold shower is hot, so we can't even take a cold shower here. But it's those things that are one you kind of use the word complex that's certainly less expensive and simpler in really making sure that you have what I think is the most important thing if you're really on a path for optimizing your health and living longer. And that most important thing is mindset. And I'm going to share a couple data points.
Speaker 2:When I interviewed the 55 experts, I asked each of them give me two to three mindsets, habits, protocols, let's call them shortcuts for longevity or a long health span that you would share, because everybody likes shortcuts, right? And we aggregated the data it wasn't a selection, of course. So what they mentioned in their three? We aggregated it and 33.3% of them mentioned mindset, 54% mentioned exercise, 54% mentioned nutrition and 45% mentioned sleep. And my first thought was that they got it wrong. And here's what I was thinking. We all know how important sleep is. Right, they had mindset at 33% and sleep at 44% and I was like but sleep is just, it's so important. And the reality like, three days later I was really kind of mulling this over and it dawned on me that actually they did get it wrong. But how they got it wrong was mindset is the thing.
Speaker 2:If you know that you need to change your diet and you don't have the mindset to do it, nothing's going to happen. If you know you need to change your habits around sleep right, get to sleep at the same time. Get your device out of your bedroom. Make sure that if you're going to have a drink, that it's a couple hours before you go to bed. If you're, make sure you wake up at the same time. Make sure you're getting seven and a half to nine hours of sleep opportunity every night. If you don't have the mindset to do those things, you're not going to do them, so that you'll make no progress.
Speaker 2:And when it comes to fitness, if you don't have the mindset to get out there and be fit or change your diet, like if mindset is super important.
Speaker 2:So if you just commit to yourself to go for that morning, walk right Like let's let's take kind of intense exercise off the table right now, cause that can be daunting for a lot of people. You just have this focus. I'm going to go outside and it's going to be before 10 AM, so it doesn't have to be at 5 AM, but before 10 AM I'm going to get you know. But before 10 am I'm going to get you know. If all you can muster mentally is 10 minutes, go get the 10 minutes Right. And if the thought of doing 15 minutes like freaks you out because I don't have time for it, stop thinking about it and get the 10 minutes Right, though that that will help you get your mindset and do some. Get your shoes off and walk around the yard and get some grounding in. Get that focus on sleep. Get you know, wear an iPad to get more advanced, more complex and, frankly, in some cases, more expensive.
Speaker 1:And probably you're going to get better benefits, aren't you? So if you skip all of those things that you've just talked about and you go straight for the supplement or straight for the magic pill, the quick fix, or it's not going gonna have as big an impact. It might have some, some effect, but it's not gonna have as big a big an impact. It's like. I guess it's like someone who takes protein powder but doesn't exercise enough to really need it.
Speaker 2:Need it was the exact example I was going to give. Like there's people who hit the gym once a week, right, and they're taking protein powder seven times. Seven times a week, like, no like, unless you're just trying to supplement protein in general. But you really have to be doing the resistance training to get the benefit from that protein anyway. So do that first and then worry about the next thing. And, by the way you know, there's just so many opportunities to consume protein like that you probably don't. I don't do any protein shakes at all. I mean, if I'm, if I'm on, typically I'm intermittent fasting. I think you mentioned that I'm typically intermittent fasting, my first meals at 3 PM, except for days that I do training. So I do kind of resistance training on Wednesdays and Fridays and when I do that resistance training I'm gobbling down a bunch of yogurt with a lot of protein in it to kind of optimize that protein synthesis.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cool.
Speaker 1:Okay, before we move on, you've kind of answered some of my questions about what are some of your longevity practices and your hot tips, because I think you've already kind of touched on some of those things and what you've been learning from the guests on your podcast.
Speaker 1:But you said that mindset is a really important thing and I didn't actually have anything written down about that. And I think a lot of the guests that I talk to when we talk about health and we've, you know, we have different experts coming in to talk about different areas of kind of preventative health, you know, very similar to to to your guests, you know, sauntering cold, plunging breath, work, those kinds of things, and we haven't really touched on mindset very much. And for a little while back there I was working, I had a membership just with a small group of women and one of the main things that we talked about was building habits, trying to build habits using that kind of James Clear approach of you know the small daily practices that you can build on. That's a really good way to start. But mindset is, yeah, kind of take it for granted if you've got the mindset right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it's interesting. It may be the case that we're preaching to the choir and those listening already have the right mindset. I don't think that's a hundred percent true. You know, there's there's a, there's a gradation of. I don't have the mindset at all and I'm just trying to figure stuff out. And I found Nadine and I'm going to keep listening to her because she seems to have the right, the mindset of where I want to go, and so that keeps happening.
Speaker 2:I really am a big believer in baby steps and really just being honest with yourself, right? So you know you need to exercise more. That's, frankly, probably true of any one of us. I certainly could exercise more. I don't know that I need to, but I certainly would. I would realize benefits if I did. But don't, so don't. But that doesn't mean like, even go out and buy a membership today, right? Like like, if you can't commit to walking five, 10, 15 minutes a day, then maybe the gym's not there, because you, you gotta get, you gotta ease into that mindset.
Speaker 2:So I'm actually putting together a six week course on longevity. It's born out of all of the experts that I interviewed and the first whole week is just about mindset and super simple. So you're not even. I don't even want you to change diet, I don't want you to change your movement. I don't want you to do any of that stuff. I just want you to journal. But I don't want you to change your movement. I don't want you to do any of that stuff, I just want you to journal. But I don't want you to be overwhelmed by journaling.
Speaker 2:So I'm saying, like, write three sentences. Don't bust out a journal and crank out 30 pages. No, that's a daunting task. Would that be good for you? Absolutely, that would be good for you. But if the thought of doing it causes you to never do it, it's the wrong thought.
Speaker 2:Have the right thought, which is I'm just going to write three things that I'm excited about as I'm entering, in this case, a six-week program, or as I'm entering the biohacking kind of longevity space. What am I excited about? And that's at the beginning of the day, and then, at the end of the day, just three super positive things which, frankly, for some people can be the hardest three sentences they'll ever write in a day. Um is, what are three positive things that happened that day and and things that you could be proud of? And I like to give the example listen, if it's a struggle to come up with three positive things that you've done in a day, you're, you're trying too hard.
Speaker 2:Your, your, your aspirations are outside of where they need to be to make progress. And I remember I was listening to a speaker and this was kind of his guidance. He says, listen, if you're struggling, all I want you to do is sit back, take one slow, long, deep breath and and then write down. I took a great breath right, like cause, cause, it should. It needs to be that easy. It's not that complex. Write something positive down because you're going to focus on those positive things and, by the way, breath work is an amazing thing to focus on. But but yeah, that's, that's that kind of baby step into working on that, on that mindset shift step into working on that, on that mindset shift.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's it. You really have to kind of like take a little bit of a step back, like you said, because you can get. Your aspirations can be well, way too high, and so your mind directly goes to what I didn't do. But if you got out of bed and made yourself breakfast, well, if you're fasting, then maybe not. But if you got out of bed, if you took a breath, if you sat down to write the thing, they're all positives and that can actually build really effective momentum, can't it?
Speaker 2:Just that practice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that practice.
Speaker 2:That's the intent of that first week of the program is to build these practices, even going into movement and exercise. It's as simple as five minutes a day, right, like if it's only five minutes that you can carve out comfortably right and commit to. Then just do the five minutes and be very mindful. If you do five minutes, you know, seven days a week, that's 35 minutes.
Speaker 2:Five minutes a day is so much better than 35 minutes once a week, once a week yeah, really is by getting out there and doing the activity, doing the thing every day, that commitment to every day, that it is the most valuable thing that you'll commit to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, great, very good, all very good tips Love it. So I kind of I guess we go. I kind of said I was going to try and stay.
Speaker 2:I've messed everything up, haven't I Not really.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, never, never. It's always exactly as it should be. Is my, is my motto I like that. So let's talk about longevity, because you've obviously you've got the book Live Longer and Better. You've got your podcast. Obviously you've got the book Live Longer and Better. You've got your podcast. You've done the summit, you've had all of these amazing longevity guests there and you've become a longevity expert. That was never your plan.
Speaker 1:That was never my plan, so let's hear a little bit about what led you here, and then we'll be going kind of backwards into my Vital C, which I want to know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I'm probably going to leapfrog way back after I do a short description. And so the short description is I'm the chief scientist at a company that's focused on a longevity molecule. That molecule is responsible for the single longest longevity experimental result on mammals in history a full 90% extension of life, which is just mind boggling, and in that role I felt obligated to well, is a 90% extension of life a big deal? I've got to research and figure that out. Turns out it is.
Speaker 2:I didn't know at the time, but I certainly was aware that when I went into GNC or the vitamin shop, I didn't see anything saying hey, take this and extend your life by 20% or 30% or 40%. There was just nothing like that. So I had this inclining and then, as I'm diving into it, it was like well, what other, what other ways, what other modalities are there to extend your life or extend your health? Right Cause, what quickly becomes clear is we've got a health span and a lifespan and we all wish they were the exact same, but they seem very much not to be.
Speaker 2:I think the last data that I looked at was 20% of your life is in some sort of decline and from the summit, I don't think that's a necessity From the typical, at least American diet the sad American diet, standard American diet and from our typical exercise routine.
Speaker 2:It is inevitable, like, if you're just going to eat the sad American diet and you're going to exercise like the average American and unfortunately probably Australia is moving in that direction then you are going to have 20% of your years are going to be in decline, but if you're going to make those changes, then they're not. So that's really kind of the last piece of me jumping into longevity, if we want to kind of go all the way forward and say, okay, well, how did you get into this health space? How did you start working with this molecule, the molecule it looks like here? We would say soccer ball, you guys would appropriately I played soccer for 25 years, I believe you guys call it correctly. By the way, my wife and I were in Qatar watching the Aussies play Holland. I think it was.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:When you guys, I think you tied them and you guys were just supposed to get blown away. You might've beat them, but at a minimum you tied them. It was such an awesome experience. The Aussies around us, Aussie.
Speaker 1:Aussie.
Speaker 2:Aussie. Yes, such a great experience, but so so this molecule was discovered in 85 and it looks like a soccer ball or a football.
Speaker 1:Football's the UK they call it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, In version. So in Australia you use soccer?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we say soccer the.
Speaker 2:Pommies, the English say football yeah. Well, what do they know? I mean, just because they invented our language Doesn't mean they have it right.
Speaker 1:No, exactly.
Speaker 2:So good. So if you imagine a soccer ball the lines on the soccer ball represent the bonds between the carbon atoms you have a spherical molecule of 60 carbon atoms. It was discovered in 1985 here in Houston that's where we're based, at Rice University, a very prestigious university and the three scientists who discovered it won the Nobel Prize for the discovery in 1996. So a short 11 years from being discovered to being awarded the Nobel Prize. My business partner and I actually started manufacturing it in 1991. So before the Nobel Prize, and it's highly probable that the fact that we were putting that our lab was putting these carbon materials into the hands of scientists is probably part of the reason they won the Nobel Prize. So that's pretty exciting and you'll find all of this is in my book Live Longer and Better all of the story of us being in the right city at the right time. So we started manufacturing this in 1991. In 2012, well, really so.
Speaker 2:If you imagine the shapes on the exterior of that soccer ball, one of them is reminiscent of benzene, and benzene is ubiquitous in our society. If you just want to know how ubiquitous, just imagine. Just kind of look around your room and imagine everything that has any plastic in it gone right, because benzene is one of the root molecules for plastics, for a lot of detergents, for a lot of medications. Aspirin has benzene the formation in it, so it's really ubiquitous in society. But it's also known on its own to be a toxin and a carcinogen. So because that shape exists on the exterior of the soccer ball cage molecule, they thought the molecule would be toxic.
Speaker 2:They put it in a toxicity study. Instead of being toxic, the test subjects that they gave it to, in this case Wistar rats, lived 90% longer than the control group. So my lab actually provided the material. My lab is the company mentioned in that original peer review and published research and you can imagine that's the publication that changed my business partner and I from being happy-go-lucky carbon nanomaterial scientists to actually being in the health space. It still took some time. In fact, that study came out in 2012. About mid-2013, we started getting phone calls from crazy wacky biohackers by the way, I can say that with affection because I now am a biohacker who were like hey, those rats live 90% longer, how quickly can I get that in my body? Like that's literally how the conversations were going and they would say hey, you know how much can I take?
Speaker 1:And we were like, wait a minute, we sell this powder to research institutions around the world and they love it for putting into ink and batteries and tires.
Speaker 2:It's a great material. In fact, the way I describe it is. It performs as well or better than the current best material in almost every application and, like I said, inks, batteries, tires, photo cells. And still these wacky biohackers were like I want to take it.
Speaker 2:We decided to add not for human consumption to our labeling in mid 2013. So imagine, from Genesis in 1991, we started manufacturing and selling it all the way to 2013. We don't have not for human consumption on the labeling. We add it then and, just to be clear, the literature was crystal clear that it was safe. We're just conservative scientists who you know, you, just when you think ink, batteries, tires and photo cells, you're like no one has ever looked at a battery Maybe a biohacker has once but and said what components of that battery should I be consuming? That just so. We're these conservative scientists. We put not for human consumption on our labeling.
Speaker 2:We're getting about two calls per week and it's crazy things like, hey, my knee pain is gone. And we were like you mean the knee pain of your rat, right, because it literally says not for human consumption on the labeling. And they were like yeah, yeah, yeah. So if my rat weighed 270 pounds. How much would that rat consume on a daily basis? So we kind of knew what's going on.
Speaker 2:But my business partner and I got together really every quarter, every three months, and we're like what do we want to do with this? You know, it's a very different industry than being in the carbon nanomaterial business where we sell to research institutions around the world and it's a we'll call it a challenge. The health supplement industry is challenged, I think is a politically correct way to describe that. In the latter part of 2017, in fact, between 2013 and 2017, I found a peer-reviewed published research paper where the scientists had purchased some supplements off the market published research paper where the scientists had purchased some supplements off the market and what they identified was that 50% of the supplements they purchased did not have in them what they said they had in them, and that was part of the reason my business partner and I didn't want to get in to the health supplement space.
Speaker 2:Finally, the latter part of 2017, a guy with a big YouTube following started talking about all the benefits he was getting taking the product on a daily basis, and our phone went from two calls a week to 10 calls a day. And so my business partner like listen, we know how the supplement industry is. Typically, it's just doesn't go down the right path. We have the lab, we have the experience with the molecule. We really should get into this industry and make sure that the consumers are safe, and so, really at the beginning of 2018, we brought my Vital C to the market.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's some story. Hey, I have been curious, like I've only just started reading your book, and I was wondering, like why would they you know, these scientists who originally came together and discovered the molecule, like what was the purpose of it? Like what were they trying to do? But you've kind of answered that and how you'd start manufacturing it.
Speaker 2:That's an interesting question because it's really serendipitous. How they figured out that it was a great health supplement was because they actually thought it would be toxic. And then the results were literally couldn't be more diametrically opposed a full 90% extension of life. The reason they originally discovered the molecule is there is a Dr Harold Croteau, actually out of the UK, who was interested. He's an astrophysicist and he had found a spectrum out in space that he theorized was caused by carbon. And here at Rice University again in Houston there was a Dr Smalley who had a device. It was like APO2 or something it could have been. A gene was the name of the device. I just realized that Something close to that. Basically what it would do is shine a laser at a target. That laser would of course vaporize that material and then they would take a puff of inert gas and carry that gas into a mass spectrometer.
Speaker 2:And so Harold Croteau came over and said hey, I want to throw carbon in your device because I think we could figure out if the spectrum is real and is from carbon. And Dr Smalley was like I'm not putting boring carbon in my machine. I'm working with like sexy things like titanium, so there's no way I'm wasting time on boring carbon. And Harold Croteau actually came back again, got the same answer. Came back a third time and got the same answer, except Heath I'm trying to remember his last name a grad student named Heath. I think that is his last name. It might be Michael Heath. He pulled Dr Croteau aside and he said listen, I'm going to come in over the weekend, I'll throw your boring carbon in here. End, I'll throw your boring carbon in here. And so he actually tweaked the settings and noticed the peak at at carbon 60, 60 carbon atoms.
Speaker 2:And so when he brought his results on Monday, they were like in fact, interestingly, ibm had the exact same results 12 months prior and they're like ah, it's just some anomaly in the equipment, just ignore it. And they were like no, there's no reason, there should be a peak here. Let's try and figure out why there's a peak here. And that's when they kind of taped the shape together and it was a soccer ball right, and then it fell on the ground and it bounced, and that's the eureka moment. There's actually an article that's written that way. And so that's why the molecule was originally discovered.
Speaker 2:And then it was because they thought it would be toxic, they threw it in the study and they live there. You know, the Wistar rats live 90% longer. That's, that's why we're in the health space. And just to share it would be very surprising if there's this opportunity for an extension of life and if people and animals didn't notice things right away, right, like that's counterintuitive. Hey, it'll double your life, but you basically feel the same. And so just to share our most consistent testimonial is people take it in the morning, they report mental focus and energy during the day and then better sleep that night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, amazing. What does it look like?
Speaker 2:That's a really weird question, but I like, is it powder? Is it like hard bits? So it's obviously the molecule. Looks like the soccer ball right.
Speaker 1:Yes, but that's very small Only 60 atoms.
Speaker 2:If I held a thousand of them in my hand you would not see them right. Yes, but that's very small, only 60 atoms. If I held a thousand of them in my hand you would not see them, right Like they're smaller than skin cells, so we can't see skin cells.
Speaker 2:I think you can see those with a microscope. It turns out that actually one drop of our product has more than 400 times as many molecules of the ESS-60 molecule we call it ESS 60 if it's for consumption. So one drop has 400 times more ESS 60 molecules than you have cells in your body. Wow, that's how small it is Just one drop, and a typical serving is a teaspoon.
Speaker 2:If you, when you refine it and you're ultimately done with it, it's a crystalline powder. So imagine, like a sugar or salt that's in your hand, it's just black because it's carbon. So it's a black pile of carbon and, interestingly, it's most dissolvable. So you can get the higher solution in olive oil and we sell it in three oils. So you got olive oil, avocado oil and mct oil. Mct is kind of the neatest. It's the lowest concentration but it's the neatest because mct oil is a clear oil and when you pour this dark powder in it it actually turns and finally dissolves. By the way, it takes a long time to dissolve, but when it finally dissolves it's a beautiful purple color.
Speaker 1:Cool. Oh, what was I going to say? Forgotten? Well, it sounds pretty good. There's a whole bunch of things on your website about the product, and one of them is like so what are some of the things that you've said? More energy throughout the day, more mental clarity, better sleep, menopause, perimenopause I feel like I saw something on your website about that and like have you got different products as well for like hair and skin?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we have what are called basically targeted packaging, and that includes deep sleep, focus and energy, exercise recovery and party recovery, Party recovery. I think we know what that means. That was just testimonials we were getting from friends. By the way, all of those are the same product. Those are different marketing packaging that we put together because our customers were sharing that with us.
Speaker 2:It turns out like, if I give you a package and I'm like it does all of this, you're like no, it doesn't. But if we start having a conversation about the individual things, then we can get over that hurdle and actually really have good conversations about them. So just a note about the exercise recovery. We have a two-time US ultra running champion. His name is Anthony Kunkel. He loves our product and what he says about the product is I do not believe that my vital C is speed recovery. I believe it prevents damage in the first place, because if it sped up recovery, I would finish my run. And, by the way, he's saying, like on the last five miles of a 50-mile run, a phrase you don't hear very often where strength and stability were previously a problem, they're not a problem anymore. And he said that if I were worn out, right, if I were physically exhausted at the end of the run and I just felt bad and that usually took me 10 days to recovery and I took recover and I took my vital C and I recovered in three, that would be speeding recovery. I just don't feel bad at the end of the race. Um, so that's, that's pretty phenomenal, um.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, we have some skin. Uh, we've got a, a serum, that serum that we're really going to push towards the night serum, so it's a face serum. And then we've got a two-part, which is a peptide, a UTH29 peptide, with our ESS60 molecule, which is called the ReDuo set. It's pretty cool. Our molecule's not water-soluble, it's only oil-soluble. That's why it comes in olive oil or avocado oil or MCT oil, and peptides are water soluble and we wanted to put these two together. Typically, chemically, it's not a challenge. You just use emulsifiers. We don't like how emulsifiers even sound, let alone if you go Google emulsifier. There's no health benefits, so we're like let's keep these separate. Um, you actually do a couple squirts of the uh uth-29 peptide and then two drops per squirt of the ess60 activator and you just activate it right there in your hand and you use that, and that's the thing that I that I tend to use the most oh, oh cool.
Speaker 1:Wow, sounds great. That's what I was going to ask you. I remembered. So you're manufacturing this. So when you manufacture something and carbon is like a natural element, right, is it an element? Do we call it an element?
Speaker 2:Oh, actually, carbon's a natural. Yeah, it's an element. Yeah, it's on the periodic chart. It's on the periodic chart.
Speaker 1:So when you manufacture it, does that become synthetic? Or like, how does that work? Or without giving away your secrets of how do you make it, that's a bit like no, no, so that's a great question and the first thing really to ask is is it naturally occurring?
Speaker 2:And the answer to that question is yes, it is. If you collect the soot from a candle flame, so you got a candle flame and you put a cold steel plate over the candle, you'll get a black sooty powder that condenses on that steel plate, that cold steel plate. That powder has parts per million, parts per billion of the ESS 60 molecule in it, so it's absolutely a naturally declaring molecule. We have all been exposed to some infinitesimal amount. Um, that's not the great manufacturing way, way to manufacture it. If you need appreciable quantities so that you're going to put it in something like a health supplement, so we actually have to manufacture it. It's an arduous process. We actually vaporize two graphite rods. Graphite turns out to be one of the hardest materials on the planet to vaporize, so you need local temperatures of the sun, it's got to be in a chamber where there's no oxygen and it also has to be at a slight vacuum. This is all the challenges that we solved way back when my business partner and I were 19 and 20. And, by the way, still the best way to manufacture the molecule in general. So it's naturally good.
Speaker 2:Now the next thing people start thinking about is like bioidentical hormones or just hormones, and the fact that they may not be identical. They may not have the identical impact, and in chemistry this can be true. You can actually have molecules with the exact same chemical structure or formula not structure where one is what's called a right-handed one and one is what's called a left-handed one, so their polarity is slightly off, and that can have dramatic differences in how it interacts with your biology. Well, the ESS-60,. By the way, I actually have a. This is my dog's toy and I just realized it's a soccer ball, so there's something and she's chewed through it, so that's not normal.
Speaker 2:That's a cleaved ESS-60 molecule. What turns out to be true about the molecule is that there's only 60 atoms, right, so it's an unbelievably simple molecule. There's trillions of atoms in most cells in our body, so it's only 60 atoms and there's only one way to put it together. So, whether you get it from our machine or the suit of the candle, or if you go back to the K2 boundary layer that's when the asteroid hit Earth and destroyed the dinosaurs that layer of Earth is called the K2 boundary. I think it's K2. That layer has a lot higher concentration of the ESS60 molecule in it. Wherever you get it, it's exactly the same, because there's only one way to throw 60 carbon atoms together.
Speaker 1:So essentially it's naturally occurring, so it wouldn't have any side effects.
Speaker 2:Well, I think you do need to be careful, right, because arsenic is naturally occurring, right? So there are things right, you've got to be careful. But from the context of, are we straight up manufacturing some chemical compound in a lab and then ingesting it? The answer to that is no. We are manufacturing, manufacturing the molecule, not even kind of a whole complete chemical, but the molecule, um, and that molecule is, is bio-identical to any other of the same molecules that you've been doing this for 2013?
Speaker 2:Well, we started manufacturing the molecule back in 1991, while my business partner and I were still in college, right, and at that point we're selling to research institutions around the world If there's a research institution of note right that you've ever heard of, if they've done research on these carbon nanomaterials, we probably provided the material to them. So like, and we still provide, carbon nanomaterials to research institutions today. Our focus, just because of market size and volume. I mean, we always hoped that this molecule would take off somewhere, whether it was in the defense industry, or in medications, or in sports, or in cars, airplanes, whatever it was. We were always hoping that it would take off. And then it turned out to be. Where it took off was in this health supplement market.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow. Why don't more people know about it? You mentioned some big ones that are coming up like NMN, resveratrol, like they seem to be everywhere. Yours sounds like pretty whiz bang.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think some of this is um one. It's my fault and I'm working on that and that's why I'm on a podcast yes, yes, yes um, you've got to get the research out there.
Speaker 2:We've got to make people aware of it. You also have to continue the research. So we are in fact publishing with the researcher the lead researcher on the original paper where the rats live 90% longer that's a Dr Fathi Musa. We just published a paper with him a month and a half ago, and so we're doing that due diligence necessary to really bring this to the forefront.
Speaker 2:You also have to realize, like here you know that I'm not much of a conspiracy person, but there is no reason for big pharma to go after this molecule. Right, it seems to have a positive impact on so many systems and there is no way to protect it from an intellectual property perspective, and so they're just never going to touch it. And you know you get those big weights behind it and you know everybody could know about this tomorrow with a a hundred million dollar ad campaign. We don't have a hundred million dollars to throw in an ad campaign, so it's very much grassroots. We sell directly from the website. I'll end up putting together a custom link for your audience. What would you like that link to be vital?
Speaker 1:ccom forward slash oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 2:Forwards uh, forward, slash life health that's probably short short, and short enough, or yeah, life, health, that should work okay cool, so yeah so if your audience is interested in trying it, they can go to my Cool.
Speaker 2:That're welcome, that I'll share. People often ask so. We have olive oil, avocado oil and MCT oil. People ask well, which one should I try? We always recommend the olive oil for two reasons. The first is we're a science-based organization and all the research is on the ESS60 molecule in olive oil. And then the next is you can actually get a higher concentration of the ESS 60 molecule in olive oil. And then the next is you can actually get a higher concentration of the ESS 60 molecule into olive oil. You can get about 0.8 milligrams per milliliter in olive oil, about 0.6 in avocado and about 0.3 in MCT. And and so those are the two reasons we recommend the olive oil.
Speaker 2:Um, we also, as you mentioned, we have got some skincare products out there. You can go buy a bottle out there. If you go on subscription, there's a 20% discount. Take advantage of that discount. Even if you're thinking of only doing it once. You can cancel that at any time. Our customer service team has 850. It's probably 905 star reviews on Google. Now, they are not trained to talk you out of canceling your subscription. They're just really good at doing a good job and, frankly, most people don't Like. They get the product, they enjoy the product and they stay on subscription.
Speaker 1:Amazing. Thank you, I've got a question and then I want to kind of circle back. Have you got a little bit more time? Yeah, I've got time. Cool. One question I want to ask, and this is just like out of all of the 55 guests that you interviewed for your summit, how many of them are taking my Vital C? Oh that's a great question Um yeah, well, he certainly has, he's tried it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dr, dr, and, by the way, I'm not implying any sort of endorsement that I have relationships with them, but that that particular type of relationship I know, I know Asprey has taken it, I know Greenfield has taken it, I know gun Gundry has taken it. Um, in fact, I was on his podcast pre pandemic, uh, which was an amazing experience and uh, and so we, we had a conversation about him taking actually an inferior brand and like I explained to him why he should no longer do that and and so he, yeah, he has taken it and even referred people to us. So it's, that's. That's pretty exciting. I do, I. That's a great question. I sent, I offered to send to most of them a product, so I would say that most of them have tried it.
Speaker 1:Cool, I was just being nosy. Really, that was just me being nosy, question, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, and I'll share. This is kind of cool. I can't share who it is, but we have three extremely famous people who I've happened to just notice have placed orders and so and these are names you would 100% know one of them. You would 90% know another who's a country singer and in movies. The first one is the country singer and the other one is a female race car driver.
Speaker 1:Oh, how cool.
Speaker 2:Who have ordered the products. Yes, so that's kind of exciting.
Speaker 1:That's great, congratulations. Yeah, want to circle back around to the longevity topic. So obviously, this is what your product and the journey that you've been on with your product, with this product, has led you into the longevity space, where you're now an expert talking to like some, some other experts in their field, um, and you've kind of set yourself this goal based on your product. My vital c, that if the rats can live 90 longer, is that 90% longer? Why can't you and you've kind of so can you tell us a little bit about that?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So there's a lot of potential mechanisms of action, specifically with Westar Rats. I can say I don't think that our product is going to be the sole thing that will get you. Here's the reality If you don't have the right mindset and you take our product, you're not going to get there. That's not going to happen.
Speaker 2:But I think, from the longevity summit that there is going to be, there's already a quantum shift underway that we can live a lot longer and we can live a lot healthier, right With the target of getting to what's called the escape velocity of aging, where the medical community extends our life each day. They extend our life by slightly more than a day, and that's the point where we rapidly approach people, there being one person who is the last person who dies of natural causes, and I think that that's a reality. If you were to ask me today how long can humans live, I would say it's a two-part answer. Today, given current technology, I think it's about 122, 125. In the future and I don't think that future is back on and I'll justify that here, that far out and I'll justify that here in a second In the future I think it's going to be significantly longer, if not matching Dr David Sinclair. He's a Harvard researcher. He wrote a book why we Age and why we Don't have To. He's saying that we should be able to live forever. I think that we're moving in that direction. I kind of think we're going to get there.
Speaker 2:And the piece of evidence that really supports that in my mind in 1950, medical information doubled every 50 years, every five zero years. Today, medical information doubles every 73 days. And what 73 days really means is at the end of this year we're going to have 16 times more medical information than we had at the beginning of this year. Right, and that doesn't even take into that's a new number. That doesn't take into account AI.
Speaker 2:Now I personally don't think that AI is going to rapidly increase the amount of research that gets thrown out there. It makes papers easier to write. For sure, be doing right and getting the actual research that we do. So the medical information that we're throwing into the pile as potentially useful is going to get significantly more useful, because AI is going to tell us don't waste your time on that, like there's no value down that rabbit hole, but there is value over here. So get that research done. And incidentally, I used AI to do a calculation If we're on the same trajectory. How quickly will medical information be doubling in 10 years? How quickly will it be doubling? And it'll be every 15 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, I was going to say every day, but every 15 minutes.
Speaker 2:It's really exciting, right, when you take those things into consideration. 15 minutes it's really exciting, right, when you take those things into consideration.
Speaker 1:Whatever is actually possible, and I don't think we even know whatever is actually possible is going to happen significantly faster than we realize. Yeah, wow, so are you capping it at 125?
Speaker 2:So what I typically answer is today's 125. I intend to live Well. That's been my goal for a long time. I think that I'm going to live longer. I think I'm going to live a lot longer than that.
Speaker 1:Okay good, I used to say I was going to a hundred, but that was it. I used to joke about it like years and years ago. I'm gonna. I'm going the hundred because I want to be like that annoying old granny that they say god, she just won't die.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I'm not capping it, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not capping it at a hundred now. I'm like going to see where it takes me, but I'm going for the long haul. I'm in for the long haul.
Speaker 2:That was the most consistent answer from the longevity experts was as long as I'm being productive, as long as I've got my mental faculties, as long as I've got my physical capabilities, then however long, but honestly, most of them were thinking in terms of mid-80s.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that's a function. So think about this data point. I asked every one of them how long do you think humans can live and how long do you intend to live, and only three gave the same number. Okay. So the reason is is because even in this mindset of longevity, they're unable to separate living longer from living infirmed and in some sort of debilitated state, and I don't think most want to live in an infirmed or debilitated state, and so they've separated these right. So many would say, yeah, I want 20s, but if I make it to 85 and good health, I'm happy which I understand but those are longevity experts, right?
Speaker 2:So the average person isn't even ready to have this conversation and I think you know, I think that's going to be changing at a dramatic pace, even in the next five years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, I think it's bloody great that you want to live to 125 plus. Can I be cheeky and ask you how old you are now?
Speaker 2:Can I be cheeky and ask you how old you are now? Yeah, no, I'm 55. I just turned 55 last month. Congratulations.
Speaker 1:Not even halfway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've got a long way to go, which? Is amazing If I get to. I mean, who knows, I might get bored of this. I doubt it. I really love what I do every day. Imagine my living comes from something that turns around and people give me amazing testimonials about how it's positively impacted their lives. I couldn't be happier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, it sounds like you've got all of the things going on for sure, and where to from here. So I'm going to kind of bring us to a close. I could, I could definitely carry on talking to you about all of the things, but I am aware all of the things, I'm totally aware of our time and your time specifically. But let's kind of bring this all back together. Where do we want people to go, like? Like, obviously we want, uh, we want, to um get people listening to your podcast. You've got this amazing summit that you've got that you've made available um for a nominal price, really, for the amount of experts that you've had um join you. You've got this fabulous book that I've just started reading. So we're going to put the links for all of those things into the notes. But where to from here for you, like, what's the overarching message? Journey pathway, whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want really so relative to the product and the research, because you asked the very appropriate question like why don't more people know about this? I want to fix that right. Um, and that comes in the form of, you know, writing a book, going on podcasts, doing summits so that people, so I get some awareness of our organization out to lots of people. I'm writing a second book, I've got plans for probably a third and fourth book. We really just started to go into conferences this year and that's been an amazing experience, and so that's all of those things, and at the same point, there's so much opportunity to make people aware of the biohacking opportunities, the longevity opportunities, ways to be healthy, ways to change mindsets.
Speaker 2:One of my best friends is an Aussie who lives in Florida and is a human behavior expert, and so we collaborate regularly and working on that mindset piece for people in general, and, in fact, his process for therapy is so, in my mind, unbelievably amazing. That is, I've got some things that I need to check off on my current list, but then that's going to be. One of my missions is to get more people trained in his SRTT process subconscious rapid transformation technique Just so amazing. And so those would be the things that are on my radar moving forward.
Speaker 1:Amazing. You've got a fair bit of time on your hands if you're pushing the 125. 125, yeah, 125, plus a fair bit of time on your hands if you're pushing the 125.
Speaker 2:125, yeah, 125 plus.
Speaker 1:But obviously you don't want that to happen in. You don't want to take 70 odd years to do it Like sounds like you've got some amazing momentum and that you're yeah, you're on a wild ride in this thing we call life. It's really been a pleasure to hear about it and to meet you. I'm really super grateful for your time. Is there anything you want to close with before we say farewell?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So if they want to try the product, it's myvitalccom forward slash life health. They can find the book live longer and better bookcom. If you go to the website, which will actually give you links to Amazon. It's available on Amazon for 20 bucks. If you go to the website so you can go to that link myvitalccom forward slash life health you can buy the book and there's an option to pay $10 for one signature or $15 for two signatures. That's my coauthor and I. 100% of the signature fee, so that $10 and that $15 goes to an organization called operation underground railroad, you may remember a movie called the sound of freedom.
Speaker 2:So a hundred percent of that signature fee goes to that. So please get the signature, I'll sign it. Uh, and that fee goes directly to, or operation underground railroad, um, and then you can find the podcast wherever you check out your podcast, wherever you subscribe to them. Make sure you subscribe so that, uh, you get notifications of the new ones and they get kind of automatically downloaded into your system. The podcast is Live. Beyond the Norms.
Speaker 1:And it's a great listen, so I highly recommend it. Thank you so much for joining me today. I've really appreciated your time and loved our conversation. I wish you all the best of luck. Your time and loved our conversation. I wish you all the best of luck. I'm going to be getting my hands on some of that product.
Speaker 2:I'll be happy to send you some. Actually, I do feel I'm not sure. We covered some life. We covered some health and it touched on universe. I think we got all three.
Speaker 1:I'm happy to go a little bit universe if you want to, before we close.
Speaker 2:I'm happy to go a little bit universe before we close.
Speaker 1:I think that I do think we touched. I do think we touched on universe a little bit and definitely in your book, like that, there's just that you know the idea of those things just popping into place at the right time and you being in the right place. And yeah, there's definitely some some universal work there, a fair bit of hard work. I love it. But yeah, I really, yeah, totally think that there's a bit of that in there too. I'm waffling, I'll let you go.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, and thank you Nadine, this was awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was great. Thank you, take care.
Speaker 2:Take care.