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Life, Health & The Universe
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Life, Health & The Universe
The Power of Manifestation
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What if you could harness the innate power within you to shape your reality and navigate life's complexities with greater ease?
In this enlightening episode, we reconnect with Becky Cohen, a multi-passionate entrepreneur, certified transformation coach, and human design expert, who shares her journey over the past 18 months. Discover her latest ventures with The Conscious Revolution, her insights as a manifesting generator, and her expanding expertise in Human Design. Becky offers a deep dive into the fluid nature of Human Design, its transformative impact on life aspects like nutrition, and motivational strategies that can propel you toward personal and professional growth.
We explore the profound power of manifestation, transcending beyond the law of attraction and delving into the deeper interconnectedness of our souls with the universe. Childhood memories, like playing "The Game of Life," ignited Becky's early spiritual awakenings, questioning societal norms and existence itself. This episode sheds light on how these reflections can help you understand and harness the intrinsic power each of us holds to create our desired outcomes and navigate our spiritual paths with clarity and purpose.
We also discuss the practical applications of Human Design in personal growth and the significance of aligning with your true purpose. Through personal anecdotes and client stories, Becky illustrates the importance of taking leaps of faith, balancing stability with ambition, and embracing our human experiences while recognising our spiritual missions.
We also touch on the anticipated shifts in 2027 and the broader implications for humanity, offering a rich exploration of how embracing our human design can lead to profound growth and help us navigate the ever-evolving landscapes of our lives. Don't miss this compelling discussion that promises to inspire and transform your journey.
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Welcome to Life, health and the Universe, bringing you stories that connect us, preventative and holistic health practices to empower us and esoteric wisdom to enlighten us. We invite you to visit our website, where you can access the podcast, watch on YouTube and find all of our guests in the guest directory. Visit lifehealththeuniversepodcastpageio. Now let's get stuck into this week's episode. Good to have you here, becky Becky Cohen. I should say Good to have you here, Becky Becky Cohen.
Speaker 3:I should say good to have you back. Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's great to have you here again. Thanks for saying yes to the invitation. Even though that's a projector thing, all will be revealed people. So Becky and I, we did our first episode together 18 months ago. I went back last night and had a look and a listen to the episode and we were talking all about human design. So no doubt I want to pick your brains more about that.
Speaker 1:Things evolve a lot, right, things change so much in 18 months, and I know, as manifesting generators, we like doing lots of different things and so, like I would love for us to have a bit of a catch up and we've already done a little bit of a chat before we hit record just about what you're doing, because I see that you've still got your. You've still got the conscious revolution happening, and in fact, I have just been creating a website which we're kind of going to start talking about more. And I'm just having a look at your biography in our guest directory and I'll just read straight from it You're a multi-passionate entrepreneur, certified transformation coach and a human design expert. You have an intuitive business. You're a mentor and consultant. You're an author and a speaker. So we've got lots of things to talk about and lots of things to catch up on. So, since we spoke 18 months ago, when we were talking mostly about human design, um, what's been happening?
Speaker 2:wow, yeah, I'm just trying to even remember where we were in the world 18 months ago our conversation I know it was like feb march around that time last year right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think, in terms of my life, not much has changed. I mean, I'm still yet the founder and the owner of the conscious revolution. And it keeps like, if your audience are into, uh, human design, would know that anyone who is a manifesting generator out there. We are multi-passionate human beings and we can do multiple projects on the go all the time, and I've really allowed that for myself, more and more so. When you start going to other coaches or business coaches, a lot of the time they tell you, pick one thing, pick one offer, do it. Well, blah, blah, blah. You know, and it's just like that's the way you get successful and it's like I've realized, well, there's caveats to everything, right, but us multi-passionate human design people who are manifesting generators are really here to have a lot of things on the go, doing work that we love.
Speaker 2:And my love goes across human design. My love goes across helping people within purpose-driven businesses. My love goes across still helping people find their purpose and direction in life and be able to build a purpose-driven business. So it's like, well, I want it all and I'm going to do it all, and so I really stood firm in that. And, yep, since then I've actually written in a collaborative book. I've been speaking on summits, so got in a bit of the speaking circuit and, yep, fast forward. Here we are. So that's about 18 months' worth of work.
Speaker 1:That's so good. 18 months worth of work, that's so good. I, I have to say, I feel as a, as a manifesting generator, um, who has not yet fully stepped into the power of being a manifesting generator. Well, consciously maybe, you know, subconsciously, I've just always been, you know, on the go, I feel slightly envious, I think you juggle a lot of different hats though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do, I do, and I kind of take it for granted, probably from yeah, from um.
Speaker 1:From someone else's perspective it might be god. She does a lot. I'm like. I haven't even started yet. What do you mean? Um, yeah, so I definitely want to pick your brains a little bit more. I feel like maybe when we spoke 18 months ago, you were starting out with human design a bit. Well, you've okay. No, maybe not completely, but you've had 18, 18 more months of delving into human design and becoming more, more you know, more adept at all of the things, because it's a lifetime pursuit, isn't it?
Speaker 2:you go down so many rabbit holes with it and you're never done. It's one of those things that, um, the depth of it is just unbelievable. Such a a system that you like, for instance, I think when we spoke about it last time, you can take human design and into the specialty that you're in. So, for instance, for yourself, you can go down the rabbit hole of looking into the nutrition side of things and the motivational part of, like how to motivate. So then, how to actually create better habits based on the centers, if you want to focus on that. Or you can actually start looking at the arrows, which is more about, like, your motivation, the centers, if you want to focus on that. Or you can actually start looking at the arrows, which is more about like, your motivation, the environment that you're in, those kinds of things. So you can go and have a look at, okay, I am a PT person. Therefore, I can actually help people with their diet based on their human design as well as what motivates them, so I know how to train them properly, those kinds of things.
Speaker 2:And then, for me, when I first, I was like, well, I was purpose and transformation coach, so for me, I really got sucked into the whole part about life purpose and how to find that within your design, and then also about the unconscious beliefs that are driving us right. So that was the transformation where I could already figure out where people's limiting beliefs and fears were sitting underneath that and the unique gifts they're meant to give to the world. But the other side of my business is also that I came from corporate, so I did a lot of project management stuff and I started to realise, well, that was huge for me, my career, and it's just because I didn't want to do it for corporates or there wasn't doing it for meaningful organisations. Let's just keep it diplomatic, we'll do it that way. It's a skill that I'm really great at, so why wouldn't I bring it back into my business but do it for the people that I want to help and serve, right?
Speaker 2:So as I went down that path, I was like, oh, okay, there's human design in business stuff where we can start flipping it and start looking at it for entrepreneurs, or like what your skill set is in within a business context, or how people can understand each other within an organization and how you can, you know, start getting them to work cohesively. Or who's missing from the group who you need to hire. So it's just so much um. So I've been more focused, I guess, in that part, since we last spoke around the business side of where to take it okay uh, oh, so many things so many things so.
Speaker 1:so I definitely um want to talk to you, uh, a lot about human design, um and uh. But before we do um, I want to talk to you specifically about your own life journey. By the way little aside for the listeners we did our episode 18 months ago, another episode, and we talk more about human design in that. So if you're uncertain and you want to go back and listen, check it out. You can find that through our guest directory just by clicking on Becky. That's very fancy. So Manifestation is where I want to start, and the book that you've just collaborated with is actually called Awaken your Magic Manifestation Journeys, and it's how many collaborators are in there? Good question. I've just bought the book but I haven't, like, got right into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look, there was. I know with them, because they do four projects a year, there's up to 100 spots, okay, but I know that with this book there was less than half of that. So I think with this particular one there was probably about 35, 40 stories with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, yeah, probably about 35, 40 stories, yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we all get a chapter each. Some people had two or three actually.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, I saw that and so I've read a couple of the stories and I've read your story and, yeah, I'm just like super curious to hear about how you got into that collaboration, what the motivation for the collaboration is like. Obviously, awaken your Magic Manifestation Journeys. It's like there to inspire others, I would assume. Yeah, about your story. I don, I want to just talk about manifestation a little bit. Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2:What it means for you and well, yeah, I mean, manifestation obviously is like the buzzword at the moment for everyone. So for a while it felt like, I mean, you know, everyone heard about the law of attraction and like that became the really big thing when that book came out about the secret. So everyone jumped on that and then it kind of morphed from law of attraction to manifestation and really I mean the the interesting thing apart about part about all of it is, um, it's more than the law of attraction. I could go down the whole laws and how they're all combined and each one has its role. It's just that that one became the most famous because of the book.
Speaker 2:But at the end of the day, the whole thing about manifestation is the power within that we all hold and that we are all actually manifesting every moment of our days, whether we're aware of it or not. All the good, the bad and the ugly that is, we are creating. We are the powerful creators that are creating that. So, um, knowing that it's like well, when you become consciously aware that you're able to have that power to create anything you desire, then when you consciously want to create something, you've got the power to be able to do so. If that makes so.
Speaker 2:To me, that's really just knowing that we are all part of the universe and there's a part of the universe within us. Our soul is connected to the universe. So once I understood the game, that changed for me. And how manifestation works is that we're all looking externally, up and out Universe bring me this. I really want that. But when you actually understand that we're all part of the universe and that our soul is inside of us, that's how we're creating, because it's already within to be able to do that and that's what the biggest differentiator for me.
Speaker 2:So to understand that, not something external to us that has the power to give us something or not to give us something.
Speaker 1:We're part of this system yeah yeah, and so your story in the book is called the game of life, I think, isn't it? Yes, and so it started much earlier. Like, obviously you had that realization at some stage and probably it's becoming more relevant as well with human design. I would, I would, I'm assuming, um, but you had this experience when you were what? Seven or eight years old yeah where you were playing. Can you, oh, like I you, tell the story and like do you think that that actually connects to manifestation?
Speaker 2:Yeah, look, okay. So the part of the story is really about. The game of life is where I think I had my first spiritual awakening as a child. Like I always knew, I was a little bit different. You know, I come from a Jewish background, grew up in the 80s. There wasn't a lot of spiritual content out there. I went to a nice Jewish school. We were taught one type of religion there's a heaven, there's a God that sits there with his beard, he decides whether you're good or bad, he judges you and you know and all of those kinds of things, and there's no way to question that. But I knew that something was wrong. I knew something was off.
Speaker 2:And this one day, you know I used to hang out with, we had our family, friends. It was a big, big group of adults that had a lot of children, all different ages, and we were playing this board game that we always play. It's called the Game of Life, very patriarchal kind of game. I think it's been around since like a really long time, I think, so Upgrading as well. So let's take the 80s version. You jump in a car like you've got a car, you've got a driver and it's pink or blue. You choose whether you're a male or a female. You drive your little car and then it gets to this point where all the things of life happen. You get a job, you know, and then you get to a point where you have to stop. You can't pass this point until you get married. And then you have children and then you know it's the game of life and you build this happy life and off you go into the sun talk about subliminal messaging right and I was seven years old.
Speaker 2:I remember questioning once, thinking I don't understand this game, like why is it the one and only point in the game where you can't move on unless you get married? And at that point it was like, hey, you're needing something to respond to as a manifesting generator.
Speaker 2:Now, that's the question, and I had this whole vision and it was like the sky opened up in this living room and I had a bunch of. It was like these, it was spirit, but it was almost like 12, like from memory it was about 12 like men, like almost looking down at us playing the game of life, like we were the pawns playing the game of life, like we were the pawns on the game of life. And so I was thinking, oh my god, where are the people being controlled, going into these cars and getting married or doing what we're doing? But at that time I was like there's something bigger than us and like, just like we're controlling these people and these rules and things on a game. We've got that coming down on us. I knew there was something bigger, that was bigger than humans. There was something going on and this whole thing about one life, one death. Go to heaven. If you're a good person, go to hell. You know we don't have hell so much in Jewish religion. But that was it. And I just knew that there was something bigger. We're part of a bigger system than that.
Speaker 2:At that point I was questioning whether it was good if it was bad. It was, you know, it wasn't scary, but I knew there was something bigger and that was when my questioning really began. So that was the first thing I really remember and after that I just became the weird kid that once I heard, soon after that, documentary and something about reincarnation, I had to ask my parents what that word was. And once I found out what that was, I was that weird kid.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's, that's a thing that I couldn't explain. Like you know, there's no beginning, no end, and like you know, there's no. You know, this is it. So I just went up to everyone, my friends do you believe in reincarnation? Like the parents, do you believe in reincarnation? You know, trying to get to the bottom of all of this. And, um, yeah, so I was that weird kid and that wanted to explore all of that. So that was the first experience I had with spirituality and opened my, my world to questioning and realizing we're part of something bigger than ourselves as human beings yeah.
Speaker 1:so that story in the book is like the beginning of your journey of manifestation. Shall we say, spirituality manifestation, yeah, yeah the beginning that was kind of like your first inkling that there was something else.
Speaker 2:There was something else and that there was something going on that the humans were the end of the you know, the biggest part of the food chain, and then how powerful it was that there was no end and no beginning. So to understand that we were really not human I mean, this is from a seven-year-old's perspective versus now, but the simple thing is that we really are souls having a human experience. The soul is the one in control, the soul is the one that's never ending, and the power behind that and what we are capable of outside of this 3d meat suit, that it's actually like the human, is the, the ride of the game of life that we're actually driving.
Speaker 1:the human should be driving us even though you know, and I know that we are in, uh, our 3d human meat suit experience. Yeah, it's really hard not to get caught up in the 3d meat meat suit human life, isn't it like? Like you still get like worried about what people think of you and like whether you're making the right decision or if you've got enough money or whatever you know where's where I'm gonna live, like we still have all of those human experiences. Is it possible? Well, I suppose the, the yogis would might say, yes, it is possible, but, like, through years of meditation practice, is it possible to like get out of that? It's not escape, but do you know what I mean? Or is that that's part of it, isn't it like so?
Speaker 2:my personal thing is we chose to come into human form for whatever reason, and this is part of the journey is that, yeah, we have amnesia and we're trying to remember who we are and some of us have an awakening, some of us don't, some of us aren't meant to remember this lifetime, so that maybe that's them fulfilling their mission.
Speaker 2:Who knows right, and we won't ever know till we die. But my belief is, if we've come to experience human form, for whatever reason it is, then part of that journey is being human. So I don't think it's meant to be to have this whole thing that people talk about the ego, death, because ego is related to human. It's about how we cohabitate because we've come to experience human form, but our soul is the thing that carries on, not the human. So, whatever it is we're meant to be doing, it's cohabitating the human at this point, and maybe so, just like hell, yeah, I want to come to earth. Let's have a good time, let's go for the ride. You know who knows, and maybe that's as simple as that. Maybe it's bigger. Like I mean, a lot of us feel like some of us have massive missions in life. You know, this is why I do the life purpose coaching, because if you feel like you're here to make an impact and a difference, it's probably more than your ego wanting that, you know that kudos like that.
Speaker 2:It's, you know, big nodding itself because it's easier just to stay in a job and get a great salary and climb the corporate ladder and all of that. But if you really feel that there's something inside of you that you may have more meaning in your life and you're looking for that direction, obviously you've signed up for something in this human form that you're meant to be doing and you haven't found it yet. And it's navigating you.
Speaker 2:So that's where your soul's calling. It's the calling right. So that's that. You're starting to hear that there's a call.
Speaker 1:So I just think it's an intricate dance and how much we do, whether it's right or wrong, that's a hint you know, and here we are when you oh, okay, so when you were little you had that first experience, the game of life experience, which I think is so, so cool. I can remember my first experience of like a feeling, and I remember I was sat. I can remember where I was. I was sat in my classroom with, I think, adam, bartley, jasper and Kevin. We were on this long table and there were some other kids as well, but they were the ones. I remember turning to them and going do you feel like life is just like a dream? And I was about nine. I was like this is weird, like I feel like I'm in a dream and I get that quite a lot I get that quite a lot now, like I, yeah, yeah you do, it's it.
Speaker 2:It really is interesting. And then, when you try to unpack it more and more, there's some days where you think that you've cracked the code and then other times you're never going to crack it right so it just, it's just this thing. We'll only know so much until we're not human anymore yeah, and there is that dance as well, isn't there?
Speaker 1:Of like knowing the spirit, having the awakening, knowing that you have that soul, that spirit, but being in the present, and that's the human experience, isn't it? Appreciating the human experience for exactly what it is is part of your, yeah, part of that whole experience I think that there's.
Speaker 1:I think that there's a point for a lot of people and myself included, I think, where you do, when you do have that kind of awakening and you're stepping into more, more awareness around your spirituality and your um, that you can want to bypass the life, the normal everyday life stuff, um. But then part of part of coming back into your normal everyday life and your presence is the integration.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100% yeah.
Speaker 1:And some of the most you know, the greatest people that we follow probably, you know, through human design myself, through the Gene Keys as well are totally normal. They have these extraordinary lessons to teach other people about spirituality, but they're just getting about their normal everyday life. You know, there's no bravado, there's no moral high ground about it, um, and that's part of that's part of that whole experience as well, isn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean, I think that you know a lot of the times we either teach because we've learned and we've transformed our lives from something that people are currently stuck in and we know that we can offer something based on our life experience, or we're currently going through it and want to get to the other side, and it's part of taking people on the journey as well, right? So a lot of these people, I believe like they've been through and gone through to the other side, so they've got something to offer. I always say that too. It's like you know, anyone who gets held back it's like, oh, I really want to do this, this one thing, when I know that it's my purpose, but I missed the boat. I need to go back and study. I don't have a degree in it or anything else. It's like that piece of paper means nothing compared to the life experience if you manage to navigate through it, right? So even with human design, I mean, I didn't go and get a degree in it, I don't have a certificate, sorry people, I don't. It found me, it came to me at the right time and I was able to grasp this information and downloads I would get with my intuition, the way I deliver it to people is something that they need and it helps them to move through something. So, you know, I could get hung up on oh, who's going to want to do this with me? Because I didn't go and I didn't get the certificate. Is there a degree in human science? There's no degree in human design. Like, do you question people's messages from the tarot going? Well, show me the, the places where you actually, um, you know, got the certificate to say that you're actually qualified to read my tarot. You don't. It's just the messages that they deliver is actually something that you need for yourself at that time, and you know whether they went to harvard or didn't, it doesn't matter. So we've all got things that we um have to experience. Or you know, the gifts that we get just come across out one way whether somebody introduces you or you're just in the right place at the right time. You get that information. What you do with it? You don't need to turn it into something massive to be able to pass it on because it's going to help somebody, because you know what to do with that, or you've been through that situation and that's a really big one.
Speaker 2:I see a lot of the time is that people feel like, oh, now I'm in my 40s, I'm getting either self, you know, going through that whole like I've got no purpose, I've got no meaning. I want my life to mean something, I want to leave a legacy. Whether you call it self-actualisation, whether you call it, you know having an existential crisis, a midlife crisis, whatever that looks like. That's the point where you know. That's the point where you know that's usually when it starts. The calling comes to you and astrologically I don't know if you know this you know we just talked about the north and south node in design and how important it is, but that point usually hits people between 38 and 42. Astrologically, what's happening is Uranus for your American ones, uranus for the Australian ones is doing a 180 in your chart. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And so it's got a four-year span of work that's going to hit 180 in your chart and that's the existential crisis awakening of that second act. So people can call it a midlife crisis. People can call it oh my God, like, what am I doing with my life? You know I've just hit 40-something and, like you know, I've got nothing to show, whatever that looks like. But there's that point when you're doing a 180 and that's the step that you're coming into and waking up to something that you are here for more, want to do more, want to be more. But then what happens is society says well, you didn't study that. Look at you at 42. What are you going to do at 42? Go back to university? I don't think so. Or you got three mortgages and kids and did it, and you know, and goes on. So it's this whole battle of how do we do something with that. People want the life experience, right, they want to know that you've been through something and that's how you can help them yeah yeah, yeah, it's um that midlife crisis.
Speaker 1:I don't like calling it midlife crisis because I'm like I'm not halfway yet. Thanks very much. I'm going, I'm pushing 100. I'm like I'm gonna go in for the exactly.
Speaker 2:But even that you know, like if you have a look at the, there was that documentary, I can't remember who was on on Netflix, that guy who went around and looked at all those cultures around the world like the blue zones yeah, the blue zones, right, and most of them what they said was why they were there.
Speaker 2:It's okay, some of them said because they had the olive oil in in Greece and stuff, but most of them what they actually said was because I get up and my life has purpose and meaning. And the people who don't are the ones who actually start to die inside, right. So for them they realize Japanese call it icky guy, you know, you had Maslow called it his, you know hierarchical needs. He found out that people want to self-actualize. It was this thing where we're born to give and to contribute and grow. Right, that's actually the, the secret to living a long and healthy life, as well as looking after yourself. But that key piece that we don't look at a lot of the time right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a really good point, isn't it? Because I was. I was in the shopping center today and I was um queuing up to get the kids something for lunch and there were a few elderly people and some of them looked really unhappy, yeah, and I feel, and I feel like that they looked like you know, that was their lot was going through the same shit day after day after day, not having that or maybe they did when they were in their forties, have that moment of there's something more, but they didn't do anything about it because they didn't know that they could, yeah, cause I think that that, yeah, yeah, that midlife, midlife crisis, um in inverted commas yes, it's like it's almost like that.
Speaker 1:You, you do. You get taken along with life, don't you? Up to a point? I don't even know how old you are, you might not have hit this yet. Um, I could tell you, you can say, yes, I have four six, oh, this year.
Speaker 2:So I think don't look at that, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:I have don't look a year over 36 oh, I love you um, but then you get to you there's that kind of like even if it's not like a real nagging there's got to be something more there's. There is something there is like a there's there is that feeling there's got to be something more. There's. There is something there is like a there's there is that feeling there's got to be something more.
Speaker 2:I think that that's yeah you know, and it'll hit people differently, whether you have children later in life. All of a sudden you feel like, well, I need to be better for them or some people.
Speaker 2:That might be that you know they want to leave a legacy behind or you know it. It's slightly different language and nuances for different people, but it all leads to the same thing that we want to know that we came here and not just meaning for ourselves, but like for me. I know for myself and I can see in my human design everywhere, funnily enough, my um, my incarnation process, about the cross of service, which I didn't know until I started doing this. But for me, I want to leave, knowing that I'll get into the more nuances later, but like that, I've done something where there's a better tomorrow for some people that I can hope that I've left the place better than it currently is and it might and it doesn't need to be me that's pioneered this whole thing.
Speaker 2:but we can start making an impact to make the change happen, because probably what we're going to do isn't going to come together in this lifetime, but just to know that there's a few of us with the same goals, that we want to change things, and you know we played a part in that, instead of sitting back and should have could have didn't oops, you know, too late somebody else to do it. Uh, you know who am I to try and change things. You know all these things that can hold us back. I'm only one person yeah, yeah it's a big.
Speaker 1:It's a big issue, isn't it? It's a massive topic, yeah, um, in your personal life. Firstly, when you talk about manifestation without knowing that you were a manifesting generator, I'd love to know if you think that being a manifesting generator helps you manifest more. Just curious out of your personal experience what are some of the things that you would say you have manifested in your life? I mean, you said we manifest everything all the time, you know we look bad, but is there anything where you've gone?
Speaker 1:Because I know that you said in your book that you wanted to travel and you do a lot of travel, right, I do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do. So if we talk about manifestation, it's like, are we talking about that? I consciously wanted to manifest, or looking back, that I did it unconsciously and it happened, you know, because there's stuff about again like we're saying we consciously manifest and unconsciously manifest, right, when you know. Some people might say it in terms of you know, when you put your mind to something, I just know you're going to do it. Like you know. Like we hear people like you know muggles of society do we call them that? Or he doesn't believe in this kind of magic, you know. But it's just like. But there are things that people like saying you know, when you want to do something, I know that you're so consistent you'll to do something. I know that you're so persistent you'll get it done, right. So is that manifestation? Is that hard?
Speaker 2:work. Do you get what I'm saying? So I feel like the things that manifest with ease, that we don't have to really put effort into. We've all got an area within our life that we just know it takes care of itself and that all knowing that, all knowing that it will be okay and I don't need to put the energy into it, is manifesting for instance um, it was a great example when talking about in the book.
Speaker 2:I knew that I had no purpose and direction at that stage and all I wanted to do was travel, didn't care about going to university, couldn't give a shit. And you know my parents and the the whole part about you know you need to go get a degree, you need to know what you want to do and all these things. But I just knew that whatever I decided that I wanted to do, I could do it. Right now I just want to go traveling. So, and then my whole life opened up and within that, one thing came to another. And how little jobs came together. And didn't even know that that was going to give me a path forward. Do you know what I'm saying? But I knew that. You know, whatever I chose let's just say I decided I wanted to be a singer. Can't sing, but let's just say that your parents are going oh, you don't want to do that.
Speaker 2:Do you know how hard it is? Like you've got to be the best of the best. Let's say they're not. Okay, I want to be a graphic designer. Oh, that's a stupid career, it's not business like. How many graphic designers do you think you know what I'm saying. So we've all got it. Then, once we find out what it is that we want to do, and then people try and talk you out of it because it's hard, or you know like you need to be the best of the best to do medicine more to get in all these kinds of things. So I kind of knew that if I just did none of it without a degree, I would make it anyway, and you still got to be the best of the best or something. So once I figured out what that is, I'll put some effort into it. So now I want to go travelling and the path opened up and it was the easiest path. You know what I'm saying. There was no resistance to that.
Speaker 2:It just happened. And then from there it was like, well, by 25 I want to own my first home. I just put it out there 25, all these opportunities came, but it had to be. You know certain things in my head that I wanted for my first apartment. Oh my God, it was the nicest apartment ever. It should never have been that cheap. You know, it just happened and I knew it would take care of itself. So career was always taken care of. I'd always have jobs. If I didn't like it, I'd leave. Everyone would be like what are you doing before you leave it? No, no, no, take care of yourself, I'll be fine. And then the things that then what I was crap at was like going through so many toxic relationships but then couldn't get my shit together to get you know it doesn't think you know whether I was never good enough for somebody else or all these other things.
Speaker 2:So then what happens is you start manifesting more of that I'm saying yeah and so until I started to realize all of it was manifestation. What you believe and what you don't believe will all come true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's why I say we're manifesting all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a really good yeah, really good point. All right, so that's great. I love the bit about your apartment and, you know, leaving a job and that sort of thing. I used to be like that. I feel, like with parenting, you know, it kind of prevents that a little bit Like. But I used to just be like I'm done, I'm done, and when I'm done, I'm done, and I'm leaving, I'm leaving, and it'd be like, well, what are you going to do next?
Speaker 2:I don't know doesn't matter, and it always did work itself out but see, the interesting part about that, nadine, is besides the fact that you've got dependents, so you're you're worrying about somebody else.
Speaker 2:Manifestation doesn't work on anyone else except for yourself yeah, right so, even if you took that leap of faith and go, I would be okay. It will work itself out, but our human mind goes in going safety, I've got to have a roof and provide for my kids and all these kinds of things. That's what gets in the way. You get what I'm saying and we know, with human design, it's your design, right, your design, no one else's. So we're worrying about what other people think or what I'm not going to do for other people if I go do a job somewhere else that I hate, just for the money. Do you know what I'm saying? Well, because you think I need to create stability. You created it. Well done. You're a powerful creator. Do you get what I'm saying? Because what you're saying is I would really like to do this. However, what's really important in my life is to make sure we have a roof overhead. I've got certain amount of money. Doesn't matter what the job is, I just need to make sure they're okay. I'll worry about me later. Okay, there you go today, right, you've got it, mate. You've got a job you hate, but you've got the roof over your head. I love it, right.
Speaker 2:So, once you understand it with such powerful prayer, it doesn't mean like you have to be as crazy as me and just jump off the cliff and not. Like you know, even when I started this business, I just quit and I thought, oh well, well, I hate this and I want to start my business, let's go. It was earlier than I expected, but I was just not. I was so unhappy, um, I thought what's the worst that could happen in the middle of COVID, with a massive mortgage, and what's the worst that could happen Like seriously, it's like a lot, but I was just like let's go. You know, and there's ups and downs. I'm not saying it's all been smooth sailing, but you know, there's periods where you can work with your human as well to keep you safe, as well as actually going for what you need without being as crazy as I was. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah but that part of you that really, that subconscious, that's that the, the subconscious message of whatever's loudest, most dominant thought you have, whether it's conscious or unconscious, is what's driving your manifestation. So, if you can, rewire your brain.
Speaker 2:So if you're thinking that like, I just need to go for a stable job that's going to put a roof over your head. And so if you're thinking that, like, I just need to go for a stable job that's going to put a roof over your head, and you're, you're subliminally thinking that's going to be a job I hate, you just created a job that you hated, that with the money that you're getting to put a roof over your head for your kids. But what if it was like but I could have it all. I could have a job that I love that's creating this kind of money and all of that kind of stuff, and I don't have to say yes to the first job that comes along, but by this date I need to have this job. Do you know what I'm saying? You can still play with it a little bit or look for something in the meantime before you. You know there's so many ways you can do it, but generally that's the message that's going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. That was so good. What about clients? Clients, when you've looked at their human design chart, you know, and they've said, they've come to you and they've said you know, I feel like I've got this purpose, I want to do something, I want to, you know, start this business or change my business or whatever it is. What have you got any like real standouts where they've, where they've kind of, where you've kind of drawn out those points in their chart and they've started living that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I can speak about one of my clients at the moment. So we're actually working with one of my clients. He's still in the 95 um and we got to the purpose part, definitely um, and now it's the transition and how we're going to bring it together, um, and really, uh, look, people always ask me, like, what do you look for in the chart specifically?
Speaker 1:and that's a secret.
Speaker 2:No, it's not that. It's like I can't say like, this is where you start like, yeah, I do a bit. It's like, yeah, everyone wants to know their type to start with, but then they put so much emphasis on the type but when I'm getting into this part, you can't. There's certain things that tells a whole story to me. So I'm looking into the different parts of the story to go right, this is where you're out of alignment currently and this is what we can do to bring you back into alignment with what it is you need to do, and that's going to be different for everyone.
Speaker 2:But if you're like brand new and you're so curious about human design, first thing I'm going to say is what we all do is we go down this rabbit hole of information and we can't consume enough. It's just so fascinating, but then we forget to actually apply it to our lives and how it can actually impact. So then people jump into the more advanced thing and I want to do this and I want to know more of that. So start off slowly and learn how to implement it and practice it in your life to make the differences right.
Speaker 2:So, with my clients, I'm going to be looking at whatever some of their limiting beliefs or fears are or what motivates them. Or, you know, there are things that are their strengths, that they don't even know that they have like their zones of genius, you know, and it's usually things that they can do with their eyes closed and don't even realise they're so good or like everyone can do it but they can't. So we start tapping into right, if you're going to start a business, let's have a look at. We look at the purpose. I mean purpose is very broad when you're looking human design. So I could say, hey, you're meant to be a doctor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, it's not like that, but, um, it's unpacking all of that and then also then looking at their strengths and their gifts and what they want to do within their business. Doing what they love, if they're a manifesting generator, is really important. So how do you offset the rest, what you don't want to do, what gives you the frustration, and all those kinds of things. So you build it from the ground up that way and that's what's really beautiful about the chart is you can start to look at the gifts that they're here to give, how you can actually then attract clients, because they're looking for that, how you can actually you know what I mean look at the parts that frustrate you and then how do we offset that, you know. So there's so much going on and it just depends how much they're in alignment with a particular part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one thing I was going to say actually to the listeners is like, if you're unfamiliar with human design, like often we aren't actually living in alignment with our design, right, we get influenced I like to say influenced rather than conditioned. We're influenced by other people in our lives, often from childhood. That that can be where the majority of it can come from, excuse me. And so what? Um? The goal of a human design expert is? Or in your and in your role, when someone's working, you know, wants to really step into, to their power and um purpose is finding out who they really are. Um, and then it's almost like what is it? It's like allowing yourself to be yourself, which is sometimes well.
Speaker 2:For me, like that feels pretty, uh, scary especially because usually when we again, when we come back to that existential question and when that comes around in that, you know, whatever we want to call it, we've had a whole life already but we are waking up and we're going who the hell am I?
Speaker 2:I don't know who I am anymore because that old person's falling away the wayside. You don't know who you're becoming. So you're in this like no man's land kind of thing and trying to figure that out, right? So that's the second act. Usually you're waking up to go all this other stuff isn't me anymore, um, and I don't know who I am anymore, so that I don't think you can be looking for purpose and direction without the question of solving of who am I really, because who I thought I was is going, and so that connection is huge right.
Speaker 2:So that's why these tools like human design or any of those other things what I love about human design more than any of those whether you go do a Myers-Briggs like personality is fascinating, you know, and you go do all these other like little quizzes I love all that stuff, you know I'm fascinated. I always want to know which one am I. You know when I'm doing the questions what it's going to spit out, but those generally changes. You go through the changes yourself. So what you would have gotten on a my brigs at 20 you might not be in my life. I used to be such an extrovert like party, like need people around me all the time, like I can't wait to get home and just have my quiet, and like no one around me doesn't mean I don't enjoy people's company, but I would never have a minute's silence. When I was in my 20s, you know, I didn't know how to be on my own that much, and so I think if I did the test then versus now, it would be very different. You know so that personality changes versus.
Speaker 2:This is your DNA, this is, this is everything of who you sign up for this lifetime, and it isn't something that changes over time. It is you. I know what you're doing is a little bit more of the um transits and all that. That's a whole another kettle of fish. But let's, let's go with the normal human design for a moment. This is partly this is where you're born on the planet at the time and that gives you that birth date. But then, looking into your dna, your dna is set within your body 88 days before you're born. That's how you get the design right. That's your dna and that cannot be changed one time.
Speaker 2:One thing I always get off that point. It's like, oh well, how do I color this part in on my chart? I really want that? And it's like, well, it's not about that. It's about, actually, you can't. This is your DNA. You can't just say, well, I don't like that part of my DNA, I'm just going to throw it out and put something else in. It is who you are and it's about accepting who you are and the gifts that you've been given and working with the life lessons you've chosen for yourself, and that part doesn't change.
Speaker 1:It's just about how you fall in and out of alignment, because we're human beings and it's 3d meat suit trying to navigate this world and it's never perfect, but those parts of your charts are going to mean more to you at certain points one thing that I've um really found useful recently is um when, when I come up against um something in someone else that triggers me, how that can actually be used as a tool to help me find that place in myself that I don't accept. Yet yeah.
Speaker 1:And how that can also help lead you back to who you are in your, your design. I found that a really interesting and uncomfortable experience, but very, very useful to like. Why is that? You know, if, whatever it is, you know judgment or being offended by someone, or you know someone making me angry, which doesn't actually happen as much now, interestingly enough. Um, but yeah, uh, like, what is it about myself that I don't like? Or what is it in them that I still I, what is it I see in them that I have in myself, kind of thing?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, that you haven't resolved or whether there's something that yeah, or a trigger. When it comes through, it's usually they've hit a nerve of some sort yeah you know there's a little bit more work to do, that you know where you think that you've resolved something. Usually, yeah, here it is excellent. Here we go again yeah, I find that.
Speaker 1:I found that really, um, really helpful. Yeah, um, okay, I want to ask you we're probably, I want to get in there's. There's a big question. I want to ask you, like we haven't talked quite about as much about human design specifically as maybe we thought we would, which is okay, we can have you back again. What I would love to know before this big question, if you're okay, we're actually like, because we started a little bit late, are you okay for time? Yeah, cool, um, when you first found human design, how, how out of or in alignment were you with your design? Were there bits in it where you were like, where you've had to really step into it? Are there bits that you still haven't?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, 100%. I think we go in and out our whole lives in different areas which is really interesting.
Speaker 2:It depends where you're going to Like, for instance. I'll answer I'm going to keep doing this. We jump around like manifesting generators to do a skip thing. But I'll answer this keep doing this. We jump around like manifesting generators, do we skip things? Keep coming back.
Speaker 2:But when I found it the first time, I know that it was fascinating, but there was so much to absorb that I just looked at him and, holy crap, this is too much. I don't know where to start. I don't know what's going on, and most people that I know, who's actually come into, starting to do human design within their industry, look at it and went yeah, not for me, thank you very much. Fascinating. But no, and close it down, that's what most people do. If you're saying everyone who goes here's a free chart off, you go and you just start reading all this and you're like, well, there's all these like shapes and start and that's the problem, right. And so the first few times I tried to absorb it, I didn't quite get it. Um, and then I just thought, yeah, this isn't for me. And then one of my friends pushed me. He's like you're gonna I don't know why like you're gonna love it, come to these workshops with me. There's a three-day challenge. You know I don't think so, and he insisted. I'm like, fine, let's do it. And I was like, oh my god, because it was actually a workshop that broke things down and what to look at in your chart and where. So the fact is that, because I'm still an internal student of human design, new things keep popping up and more and more and more that I can go all the time right, because I'm looking at it from a different lens, whether it's a business lens, whether it's a transformation lens, a purpose lens, so you can revisit centres, and it can have so many different meanings every time right.
Speaker 2:So when I did this course, what I realised was for how long my gut as a sacral was working for me and, unconsciously, when people ask me questions, I would always respond with a yeah or nah. Like like people ask me all my life yeah, nah or nah, yeah, you know, like something good or not. And I remember one of my exes turned around, said to me it drives me crazy that you always say no before you even hear me out to the fullest thing. It doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right. I'm not saying I'm better than you or I'm dismissing it or what it just for me it doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2:So going, oh yeah, because I was reacting from the gut and I could feel that movement was going to repel no, oh yes, you know. Hell, yes, you know. And then I'd be like I'd jump on things, getting really excited, getting my you know, getting into something like they just sold me at hello, because it felt good in my gut and I was like screaming, yes, I'm going to do it, you know. And I didn't realise that I'd been living a lot of my life like that before. But I could also see when my mind took over certain things, or I could see the undefined, you know, heart or the ego centre that happened to prove myself to people all the time. You know my, you know my value and worth in terms of relationships, you know, or things like that. So I could see where the wounds and where a lot of the the work had been done and the undefined head that I've got still gets me in business like I just you know.
Speaker 2:So it's one of those things that I've really got to be conscious of where I know now I'm much better off working with bouncing ideas off another human being or how to integrate that. So it's helped me to do that more. But when I'm on my own, like I'm not going to do it again, like you know, I've got to go do something different to get inspiration from without rather than within. And sometimes I sit there spiralling, you know, because I've been today to be doing it, and then I get frustrated and then you know it all starts all over again. Um, but yeah, I think we all know, kind of, once we have this information, there's a lot to digest. But then you can see in and out of alignment in certain parts. But we're human, so there's always going to be something that's out of alignment. But again, how to correct?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah. Well, I definitely do want to talk to you more about human design, but, um, well, and I guess this is kind of human design ish, but it's more of theme um, uh, 2027, so we just went into the age of aquarius, uh, recently, I believe, um, and the incarnation cross is moving to sleeping phoenix.
Speaker 2:Yes, in in 2027 yeah, so out of the cross of planning and into the.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the sleeping, sleeping phoenix um, anyway, we know that there's a whole bunch of shit going on in the world, and many well, in the circles that I tend to be mixing in of late human design, um, transference, healing, gene keys, prophecy, prophecy, prophesy, prophesy is that the word? Is that how you pronounce it? Talk about a coming change yeah and like this shift for humanity.
Speaker 1:basically, just a small topic to finish with Just love to hear your take on it. The conscious revolution you know you're you're guiding your clients to, to work in a more heartfelt way, right to have conscious, to work consciously, um. So what's your take on on all of this um?
Speaker 2:well, it's interesting because, yeah, look, I, I. I didn't really look too much into I mean, I knew the whole yeah 2027 that that's going to be a big shift. Firstly, I started to read about that the the main shift was going to be like to get um down to the technical parts of it was more around.
Speaker 2:We believe in human design at the moment that the intuitive center is the oh, yes, yes, yes right, and so what's happening with this is that there's a new, there's going to be a new um type coming to the planet as well, so this type is actually where this solar plexus is going to be, the ruler of the intuition. So it's an emotional tie which is your intuition center. That's what I first read about it like okay so, but then apparently there was going to be. And then, when I was looking more and more into it from ras perspective and like a lot of doom and gloom around what's, coming and so I turned off, because I didn't really.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh god, this guy is like. You know, he's such a prophet and he's done this amazing thing. When I started to read it, I was like, whoa, that's bleak. Oh my God, like I don't want to believe how well it's going today.
Speaker 1:A lot, of his language is kind of a little bit bleak yeah.
Speaker 2:And then I realised you can leave it to interpretation, like we do in human design now, like a lot of us move through. It's like you know, getting the bible and interpreting it now, because his language was kind of very um, how do we put it? It's not dry, it's just a different world, like when most people can't absorb what he's saying. Like what you know you say it takes a bit of interpretation, um, and I think that, yes, so there's a new form of humanity, but apparently, if you look at the war that's going to happen because, oh my god, they're what they're expecting, right. So, instead of thinking that we're evolving but what we can see is, if we just look back at the centers, we are looking at humanity from a perspective of we were never meant, we've never dealt with our emotions.
Speaker 2:That's a solar plexus emotional response. A lot of people have the emotional center, that's their intuition powerhouse, right already. So, like that's intuitive guidance For me, what I believe is that we are stepping into that place where we're trying to integrate soul, having that human experience in general, and we're going through and awakening that consciousness. That's happening on humanity. Next evolution, yep. So it makes sense that that's what Ra ra was saying, is that becoming the focus of the, the center? It's going to be about people who start getting in tune with their emotions, that their intuition is going to start being more heightened if they actually want to get into the feelings because, energy.
Speaker 2:If we talk about the energetic frequencies of things, we talk about energy and your feelings and emotions having a frequency and we're talking about raising the vibration of the planet to manifest or whatever that is. But when, when we're talking about if, if that all has a frequency, it's actually then we're getting in tune into a frequency. Do you get what I'm saying? So everything is on intuition, which means everything is about soul moving, knowing that we can get in tune with our soul, and what that means really is we need to not bypass our emotions anymore. Okay.
Speaker 2:And I really feel like that's what's really happening on the planet. We're getting more sensitive to people waking up. Don't listen to the news. Watch what you consume, not just food-wise like all of it. Pay attention to how it's making you feel it's toxic. You know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:So I think that's what we're really seeing somewhere on the planet right now is that people are waking up to something doesn't feel good anymore. We can't listen to these authoritarians. We can't, and it's starting a kind of revolution. Do you know what I'm saying? There's a split, and I think that is 2027, what Ra was seeing is the split and a new type of human.
Speaker 2:It kind of aligns with what we can see coming at the moment. How it plays out, I don't know. Yeah, but there is an evolution coming and there's a split and a divide, and it always gets uglier before it gets prettier. I love that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, evolution coming and there's a split and a divide, and it always gets uglier before it gets prettier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I don't know what your thoughts are, but I don't listen too much to what the community's saying at the moment.
Speaker 1:I try to tune out that noise and yeah yeah look, I don't, I don't, um, we don't have uh tv, so I don't watch the news or anything like that.
Speaker 1:But you know, there's obviously some, there's lots of stuff going on and there's war and there's chaos, and you know, now in the UK there are riots happening over certain things. You know, so there's and and like it, it definitely feels to me like there is a building energy behind all of this. Like that it's like and it's almost like, it almost feels like it's getting to a point where it literally we can't keep going on like this and maybe that's where that divide happens, where it's like, you know, there are those people that are waking up, becoming more aware of, as you said, and that divide might take a long time, right, like it's not necessarily one lifetime's worth of um change that will start to occur but it's like it's constant, though if you have a look back in time, I mean, what was covid really like?
Speaker 2:that's when we really thought, oh my god, it's really happening now, now, now, yes, it does, and then, it's like, oh, and then there's a new, the new normal, you know, and everyone goes back to whatever. Then there's another, you know, and then it's like, oh, and then there's a new thing, you know, you know, and everyone goes back to whatever. Then there's another, you know, and then it's like oh everyone's gonna wake up and it's like something.
Speaker 2:I think there's just waves of awake yeah, awaken in stages and it's like almost every four years. I mean this, is it like 2020 to 2024? We're seeing some stuff bubbling again, you know, and then it's probably going to be full out by 2027, and then everyone's going to think this is the big change and then, oh no, we're just, like you know, settle back into whatever. But it slowly does evolve over time, yeah. It just compacts, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I feel like Ra saw something huge and there might be another big incident that we don't know. Yeah, 2027, but um, yeah, I try to believe it's just the next evolution.
Speaker 1:yeah, oh, yeah, for so, for sure, I'm, I'm, I'm, um, uh, I feel like whatever's going to happen, it, well, it's going to happen, um, and it, and it's necessary for that shift, but I'm not like fearful. Do you know what I mean? Yeah exactly. Like I don't know how messy it's going to be and I don't know how deeply impacted I will be from the mess.
Speaker 2:And probably not. You know because, again, if you've done the work, you know what I'm saying you've gone through the awakenings, right. So we're here to help the next level of humanity you're going to go through whatever it is they're going through. Yeah, I mean, can we? I mean, I don't think any. I think. I believe, like a few of us really felt something weird was going on in 2020, had no idea what we were going to be hit with, I felt, but I thought it was within me that I was about to elevate myself to that next level. I thought it was another spiritual awakening.
Speaker 2:I didn't see it as a collective thing you know, so it was like but that was like it's your time. You're like get up and do something, because all these people now who are going through this, they need you now You've done some of this work and as we, you know. So it's just like who knows what role we will take on in 2024, but I believe sorry, 2027, but I believe that that's going to be the start of whatever the next. You know shocking thing that people need help with right. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or it could be good, who knows, it would be nice. It doesn't have to be shocking, that would be nice. It doesn't have to be shopping, that would be nice. Yeah, yeah it could be nice.
Speaker 1:I didn't want to end on a downer, I was just, you know, it's, yeah a curious time and I was just interested to get your insights, especially as you're an intuitive human.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look, I think we're in it Like from 2020. We've been in something. You know the economy. If you look externally, externally, you can look at it externally. It's like businesses have suffered, people have suffered, they're still recovering, even though we think it's oh my gosh, that was just you know, 2020, get over it. But the the ripple effect of what has happened like no one talks about COVID itself being the danger anymore, but it's impacted all of us in ways that you can never imagine. That is still coming out. You know, I remember once a survey coming out after two years and going like you know, do you feel like you've got some sort of, you know, social anxiety or something, or like depression or something from being locked up? I'm like, actually I don't know how to answer that I don't know.
Speaker 2:And so there's these things that you don't know how it's impacted you yet. And now you know we are in a global recession, without people calling it. People are suffering in certain ways they don't handle it as it comes. It's not that scary once you're in it, but there's stuff going on, but people need help, right? That's how I see it. Whatever it is, that's coming in 2027, it's going to just feel like another thing we'll deal with as a collective.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Good tip.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's been great to have you on Love it. Yeah, could easily talk for another hour, and I know that you mentioned jumping around a little bit of a manifesting generator. I hope I didn't do that too much when I was asking you questions?
Speaker 2:No, I think it was me. I think I answered some, and then we moved on as we do and I realized oh, I don't think I answered that properly.
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