Life, Health & The Universe
Life, health and the universe are all connected. In a world where we are more connected than ever, we have become disconnected from ourselves. In this podcast, along with guests, I discuss ideas in a celebration of life, an exploration of health and some wonderment of the universe.
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Life, Health & The Universe
Healing Redefined: Embracing Holistic Health and Intuitive Choices
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What if the labels and medications we rely on are not the answer to true healing? Join us in this episode as we explore the fascinating journey of Charlotte Caunter, founder of Health SHEro, as she transitions from disillusionment in the mental health field to becoming a Certified Holistic Cancer Practitioner. Charlotte's personal story, marked by significant life challenges, inspires us to rethink conventional health practices and consider the transformative power of holistic healing. Her experiences encourage us to use our intuition and question established systems to reclaim our personal health and freedom.
We also navigate the complex waters of cancer healing, exploring Charlotte's personal transformation following a cancer diagnosis and the loss of a dear friend. This pivotal moment led her to question mainstream medical practices, eventually guiding her towards a career as a raw food chef and health consultant. Reflecting on the emotional and physical aspects of health, Charlotte shares how she grappled with trust in the medical system, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, and highlights the importance of making informed, intuitive health choices for herself and her family.
Finally, we dive into the potential of holistic practices and vibrational healing, drawing inspiration from influential figures like Louise Hay and Joe Dispenza. Charlotte's journey from skepticism to empowerment is illustrated through her embrace of natural remedies, meditation, and the pursuit of self-awareness. We examine the metaphysical connections between emotions and physical ailments and how shifting our mindset can lead to a more empowered, healthier life. This episode invites reflection on traditional perspectives of illness and healing, encouraging listeners to explore alternative paths that may lead to profound personal growth and empowerment.
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Speaker 1:Charlotte Kornter is the founder of Health Shiro gift. Charlotte Conter is the founder of Health Shiro. She's a mum of two babes and, amongst a lot of other things, I think she's also a certified holistic cancer practitioner. Charlotte helps mummers to reclaim their health, power and freedom by learning to use their intuition to heal holistically for themselves and their family. Charlotte, thank you so much for joining us today. I'm super excited about our conversation. We just had a little bit of a preamble before we hit record and I've told you how much of a I gave you a little bit of a fangirl moment. So thank you for joining us. I'm really looking forward to our conversation. I'm glad we were able to make the time.
Speaker 2:we're on other sides of the world, and so yeah, welcome oh, thank you and honestly, I'm so excited to even just to be in your energy as well. And, um, I've watched you know a few of your, your podcasts, and they're brilliant, you're brilliant, your energy is so infectious and um, you're doing important work right now.
Speaker 1:Important work, so I'm, I'm yeah, I'm getting goosebumps for that oh, thank you, I really appreciate that you know so, um, obviously, the um, the thing that we're going to be talking about today, is your work, but also your story, um, and I've got, as I said before we hit record. Another thing I said was I'm going to have a whole bunch of questions. I'm going to try and keep on topic because we could go down many rabbit holes and I know from following you on Instagram for quite some time we have very similar values, beliefs around our health, around our true nature as humans and the wisdom that we all carry with us. Yeah, so this is going to be a very insightful conversation. It might make some people feel uncomfortable. I'm hoping it won't some people feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping it won't, but I hope it does with lots of love. I hope it does with lots of love, because when we're triggered, we're being you know we're we're being encouraged to grow outside the box that we put ourselves. So even if we just question it a little bit and then just put it in the back burner and be like, maybe just plant some seeds and then maybe one day I'll explore that a little bit more, like that's okay too.
Speaker 1:but yeah, you definitely don't have to agree with anything or everything that we're saying right, exactly, yeah and um, and I guess one of the things that I want to talk about later on in the piece is that, um, freedom of choice, yeah, that we all have that.
Speaker 2:Sometimes we forget yeah, yeah, we've been programmed to forget, haven't we?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah exactly, exactly so. Do you want to start, charlotte, by sharing your story with us? You've been very open online in your socials and on your YouTube channel with your story, so I'd love you to take us through that and how you kind of got to what you're doing in your work today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so if I kind of go back to 2010,. 2010, I was working in the mental health field. So I worked with kids like basically like psych ward for children, like mental health inpatient unit for for children in a couple of different hospitals and the school board and a youth shelter, and I was working like 80 to 90 hours a week consistently and I loved working with the kids. It gave me energy, I loved it. Um, and then, after you know, like five, six, seven years, and I just had started questioning the system like what are we doing here? And you know kids would be coming in and then we're getting them, you know, we're diagnosing them and we're giving them labels. We're getting them to own the labels, we're giving them medication. We're not working with family. We're not working with you know schools. We're not working with you, working with what's going on at home diet, all these other factors and I felt like I was beating my head against the wall and I felt like I was part of the problem and I was causing more harm than good to a lot of these children working in these systems and and at the time, like behind the scenes, personally, I was going through a breakup. We had tried two years to have children and anyways, and then, long story short, I eventually ended up getting pregnant, I ended up having a miscarriage and the relationship was over and all of that. But so a lot of grief, a lot of grief, a lot of grief with the system that I thought that I was supposed to be in and, like you know, save, save the world or save the kids, and I was like, what am I doing? And then, all of a sudden, in my personal life, it was kind of falling apart, working crazy amount of hours. Um, when I wasn't working, I was in the gym, like working out like crazy or playing a lot of competitive sports as well, so pushing my, my body to the max in terms of no sleep. You know, still eating well, but sleep and working out like crazy. So it was a lot, a lot going on behind the scenes. And then, all of a sudden, a few years prior to that, my mom was diagnosed with diabetes and I went to all her appointments and then I started doing my own research and I was like, mom, we, we can, you know, we can heal this naturally. And she was like, oh, I don't know. And I started making her food and delivering it to her, and then I would go and pick it up at the end of the day and all the containers were still filled with food and I was like, oh okay, so that was my first lesson that we can't force people to heal. And then my dad had two strokes. So I was helping him with all of that and reading and researching, and so I had this passion for health and wellness and I wanted to always searching. And so I had this passion for health and wellness and I wanted to always.
Speaker 2:Ever since I was a kid, I've always kind of questioned the system and teachers some loved me and others were like, will you shut the F up and just sit there and not say anything? So I asked a lot of questions and then I took my first holistic health course in 2010, as, like, all these systems I felt like were kind of crumbling around me, so I had this like basic knowledge of health. And then in 2011, I was diagnosed with cancer and I was like, how can you be diagnosed with cancer? I was 32 years old at the time. You know I was fit and I was like I, like I'm fit, I'm young, like this doesn't fit that you know any of the checkboxes that I thought illness would fall under.
Speaker 2:And then all of a sudden, I went to the doctor and they said, ok, we're going to do surgery next week chemo, radiation, or we're going to get this ball rolling and I was like hold on. I mean, I'm not a doctor, I don't know. But what else can I do with my health? Do I have any other options? They're like no, if you want to live, then you've got to do this. And I was like, well, I do want to live you know.
Speaker 2:So I guess I have to. You know I have to do this, but hang on, I know if I get a common cold or a headache or whatever a stomachache, I do everything in my power to support my immune system. Here's the sickest I've ever been, although I don't feel sick. But I found this lump on my you know my breast, lump on my you know my breast. I don't feel sick and now I'm going to destroy my immune system with chemo and radiation in addition to surgery. So none of this made sense. Intuitively, I was like this doesn't make sense. But family is saying, like we want you to live, we don't want you to die. And then family, you know friends were talking about death and I'm like you know shit, I don't want to die. Like what do I need to do? I'll, I'll do anything.
Speaker 2:And then I sat down with my doctor and I was like, well, what about diet? Like I just I want to feel empowered right now. Like what else can I do? And he said, charlotte, diet has nothing to do with your health. That was like, oh God, you know, like this is a man that's going to come and save me.
Speaker 2:I'm like I'm not even a doctor or I wasn't even a nutritionist at the time, but I was like shit, if I know, if I eat, you know, mcdonald's, I'm going to feel like a big you know bag of poop, and if I eat, well, I'm going to feel good. So I know it has something to do with my health. But so that that answer when he gave me that, I was so pissed, I was so angry because I was like this is the man that's supposed to come and save me. I don't even trust him and and that led me going down, like you know, a bunch of different rabbit holes and and dove into health and nutrition. Now, three months after my original diagnosis, my best friend was diagnosed with cancer and she ended up passing away when we were 34.
Speaker 2:So two years after yeah, our original diagnosis, and you know it was a blessing because we, you know we got to. She was like a sister to me, like, and and still really close with her family, um, but you know we lay in bed together, we go to appointments together, so it was beautiful in that sense. Um, we got to spend all this, you know, amazing quality time, but at the time when she passed that was probably the saddest I had ever been and I was filled with grief and filled with so much anger, resentment, confusion, like I was like who do I trust? Because all these people in the white coat I was told to trust blindly and now I'm like I don't even know who to trust and it's not like I can talk to about friends or family, because they're not seeing the same picture that I'm seeing right now. So it, you know it was really challenging. So I ended up leaving my career in mental health and I went I'm in just outside of Toronto, but I ended up going down to the States and I became a raw food chef and a health and nutrition consultant you know whatever that means but studied health and nutrition and then dove in just so I could dive into my own healing, because I was like I never want to go through that again. And, you know, once I had finished treatment, they told me to go on medication for five years because my cancer was estrogen based.
Speaker 2:Now, back in 2011, when I was diving into this medication, this medication was called tamoxifen and that's it's probably like the number one drug that they push on estrogen based breast cancers. So I took it. So I was like, okay, well, let me take it. So I took it, but then I dove in and started taking it, you know, diving into the big rabbit hole behind this medication. And this medication was made by a company called AstraZeneca, which we now know because of 2020, but I didn't know back in the day, you know. So AstraZeneca and this company makes tamoxifen. Now AstraZeneca makes the number one herbicide, fungicide, insecticide that causes estrogen-based cancers and it's banned in Europe for that for that reason.
Speaker 2:So it's like, how do I give my body, my health, my life over to a company that's got their money in the treatment, in the cause and in the solution? You know? So when I brought this up to my doctor, he was like, oh my God, here we go. And he's like, can you even read like research papers and I was like, well, you know, I can read, you know, let's start with that, and I'm trying to make a joke and kind of lighten it up, you know and he was angry because and I get it it wasn't like I was trying to upset him, but I was genuinely trying to ask questions and he was getting ready to retire and I was questioning his whole career. I mean, I was questioning his whole purpose up into this, you know, like up to this point. So I mean that that is hard, that is hard to hear. And I mean that that is hard, that is hard to hear. And you know, he came in and he threw, literally threw papers at me and and again he was, he was angry because he's trying to save my life. In his mind, he was trying to save my life and so was I, you know.
Speaker 2:So once I, you know, explained my situation, I stopped taking that medication and continued like changing my life. I mean, I moved, I changed my career, I changed all my diet and lifestyle, and and then things were, you know, amazing. I was, you know, coaching for a long period of time, helping so many beautiful souls, and then 2020 happened. And you know, I mean, we all know, like the world turned upside down and during this time, right from the beginning, only because of the rabbit holes I had gone down, you know, a decade earlier, I was like this is not how we heal, you know, this is not how we heal. And I didn't, you know, buy into. At first I was like what is happening, you know, is this the black plague? And I was really kind of getting drawn into it. And then I was like no, this is anyways. I don't know how much we can talk about it, because I'm being very careful.
Speaker 1:Yes, you have to be very general, don't you?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, but I questioned a lot of things and, um, and I didn't. I chose not to wear a mask, I chose, I chose not to get the shot and I'm totally open with however you've. We've got to do what allows us to make us. You know, whatever we feel safe doing, that's what we've got to do and for me, that's what I felt safe doing. But like going to the grocery store felt like, I mean, I've never been in war and you know not to minimize that, but you know that's what it felt like. It felt like a battleground. Every time I went out without a mask or and sometimes people would yell and scream or throw masks or whatever.
Speaker 2:And I would stay calm, very calm, cause I always had my kids with me that were you know at the time. They're eight and nine now, so close to yours.
Speaker 2:I think, Right, yeah, and um, and then my dad ended up getting diagnosed with cancer. At that time, Um, and he did surgery, chemo, and I said, you know, dad, I've been studying cancer and I've taken every cancer course. You can imagine like I've got you. And he was like Charlotte, I just need to listen to my doctors, cause that's the only way that I'm going to live. And I was like, okay, dad, whatever makes you feel safe, I'm going to honor and respect your journey. And became his like primary caregiver, and you know, grocery shopping and taking him to all his appointments. And then, you know, I was homeschooling my kids and the business is expanding. And then, once dad had finished treatment, he was considered all clear and the doctor insisted that he ended up getting his shots and about a month after his second one, he was diagnosed with heart cancer. You know, and at that point, you know, in 11 years of studying cancer, I've never heard of anybody getting diagnosed with heart cancer before, like ever. And he ended up passing away and then two weeks later, my cancer had come back. Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know, stress, stress, I mean I created the perfect holistic storm mentally, emotionally, physically, environmentally and spiritually. I was living in a very low vibrational state and really in fear and anger and resentment, like is this how our world is going? Like what is happening? This is not the way to do it? And there was a lot of yeah, a lot of turmoil, a lot of dis-ease in my body. And then the cancer came back and this time I was like I know what I need to do and I felt extremely confident. Fear still pops up and I still need to have calls in place, but I knew I yeah what I knew that I was going to heal naturally this time and heal on my own terms. And that's what I've been doing and I've completely transformed my health in the last two years.
Speaker 1:Uh, and that pretty much takes us up to the present moment and you basically said a whole bunch of things that could send us down one of those rabbit holes, but we'll try and stay on topic. So what was I thinking? Okay, okay, I'm just kind of thinking about where to start. So you've talked about your experience with your treatment the first time, and then you've obviously you've lived a um, a decade or more um, without cancer, did you? And I've seen you talk about um, so I'll just keep this relatively high level at the moment.
Speaker 1:But I've seen you in your socials talk about, like the to scan or not to scan, like when someone, I guess, is going to check to see whether they're they are healing and whether the protocols are being effective. Yeah, can you talk us a little bit about that? And like, yeah, maybe we'll go from there. I'm just curious, like, how did you know the first time that it was that you, that you were healed, and how did you know that it had come back? And like, what were the differences in the choices that you made?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, great question. So I mean, the first time I found my own lump, um, I actually had a, an eye injury, um, I was playing baseball and the ball took a funny bounce and I broke my orbital floor. So I had to lay flat on my back, um, for the swelling to go down, for my eye not to move, and um, and then I had to have surgery. So during that month of me and this is like me working, you know, 80, 90 hours a week like go, go, go, go and then all of a sudden it was like everything stopped and um, and lay down flat, so for me to be running from my emotions, you know, for for so many years, all of a sudden to be like, still, I was like this is torture, you know, torture, um, but then when I was on the, I was on my laptop or something at the time and, um, and then an ad popped up and it was said you know, self-examinations. I was like, oh, I've never done a self-examination before and I and I found the lump. So I found it and then, and then went into the hospital and then you get, I mean, the moment you go in there, you're, you're sucked into the system pretty quickly.
Speaker 2:And then the first time I did an integrative approach. So I did surgery, chemo and radiation, and then I also did like loads of natural things In addition to that, even though the doctor said, don't change your diet, don't do this, don't do that. I changed everything and listen to my intuition, because those were things that I felt very empowered, that I could control. And then the second time I found the lump as well, I could feel it right away. And then the second time I found the lump as well, I could feel it right away and I was like, ooh, okay, all right, here we go and went to the hospital and then they do.
Speaker 2:I had an ultrasound done, so they saw it on the ultrasound and then they did a biopsy, which I definitely regret getting, because when you're, when you have a lump lump, it's like it's pulling all the damaged cells and they're putting it in a protective shell. So it's almost like you know hoarding bees and putting it in a protective hive. So the moment you go in and start poking, now all of a sudden things come up. You know of that protective shell. So we've got to form another protective shell to kind of like scoop it all up, um, so it can delay the healing process a little bit. And so the scans, many of the scans, you know, if we're talking mammograms, mammograms I mean have a lot of radiation and I always joke around like if you've ever had one. I mean they, literally, you know you're putting your breast like, you're lifting your breast up, you're putting it on a table and they are like wishing it was such force on all angles and I'm like only a man and I love men, but only a man invented this machine for women.
Speaker 2:No woman would have ever made this machine like ever. And we can damage, we can damage tissue, we can damage like cells, even just doing, and never mind the radiation, just be hacked alone. Like, can you imagine if men put their testicles up on there? It wouldn't happen, it wouldn't happen. But you know, ladies were like okay, we'll follow directions and do it. Um, I'm making a joke of it, you know, but I just want us to like really think about it.
Speaker 1:I think that mammograms have actually been banned in some countries? Yeah, haven't they?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they can actually cause yeah, oh yeah, yeah, they can and they do. Yeah, they can cause?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they've actually been banned in some countries.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you know, and then other things. When you think about even just technology in general, I mean iPhone. You know, I have an iPhone, but I come out every year.
Speaker 2:Every year, whatever company it is, they come out with new technology every single year In the hospitals. Many of the technology has not changed since the forties or fifties. There has like the treatment, you know. So it's like all this money, all the running for the forties or fifties there has like the treatment, you know so it's like all this money, all the running for the cures, all of this and we're still giving like toxic treatments. We're still giving toxic scans as well, like even CT scans, or like probably one of the safest scans that we can do is MRI. Okay, but even with MRI, a lot of times they'll inject you with radioactive dye. But just plain MRI, it's magnetic, so there's no radiation. So you're, you're better there, but you know you're in, you know if you've got any claustrophobic issues, you know you're laying, you know flat, you put your, you know round breasts and two square boxes and again, like it's important to kind of know these things. This is like does it make sense? Like make it make sense, you know does it make sense?
Speaker 1:But also, what kind of frame of mind does all of that put you in like, where you're basically being treated like an object? Yeah, I mean that can happen, I think, in a medical system anyway. Right, because they're so used to just dealing with people all the time, like they forget that kind of emotional connection that, like you can be, you can feel quite lost when you're the the person receiving the treatment, but like to be put into basically, yeah, like, oh well, let's just put your boobs in a box.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and you're like what do you mean? Yeah, like yeah, no, it really I mean yeah when you think about it. Really doesn't make sense, you know. But, but there are. But this is why, you know, although I'm kind of laughing, I'm laughing at with regards to my own personal journey.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Some people, some people are like, if I don't scan, and there's other ways that you can do thermography? Thermography is, you know, is brilliant as well, cause I mean you go in there and you basically take off your clothes and they're taking pictures of you. So the worst case scenario you're cold, you know, but there's no harm done, which is great. So MRIs and ultrasounds, you know, are definitely better than CTs or mammograms, but ultrasound or MRIs or thermography is what I would recommend. But but if you're somebody, this is even in my program, the Sacred Healers program. I'm always teaching people how to tune in. Like, is it in my highest good and the highest good of all involved for me to do this scan? And then I honor the question. But we don't just start with the heavy questions. I would say for you something that I always kind of do. I'm just grabbing paper here, but I'll get my clients to grab paper, paper, like two pieces of paper the same size, and I put, like you know, yes on one or Y on one and then no on the other, and then we fold them up and mix them, so you don't know which one's which. This is just an intuitive exercise that you do and then you can, you know, hold it over your heart and then you know, for you, nadine, you can say, you know, is it in? Is my first name, nadine? And then you just breathe in and for me, I'll try and pull the energy from my feet and I kind of pull it all through my body and I try and pull it like straight through the crown of my head. So, and then, if it's not the answer, it kind of sometimes it gets stuck like in my stomach or in my chest and it's like I can't pull this energy up and then I know this isn't the, this isn't the answer and the other ones that I, when I feel like it's more of a yes, the answer will come, like the energy will come straight through. But this is just I mean, that's for me, but it could be different for you. Like my kids, sometimes it goes to their elbow for a no and then their heart to a yes, so it could be different.
Speaker 2:But what's really important is that when you're breathing is just notice the sensations in your body, just bringing awareness back into your body. But this is a really like super easy and fun thing that you can do and practice, like with yourself and with the kids, like what city do we live in? How old am I, you know like, am I this age or do I live in this city? Or is this my first name? Is this my last name? Like practice with things that you know. So you start to really, really good you know, get good at it and feel more comfortable. You start to learn to trust yourself Because along this healing journey, fear is going to pop up. You know curveballs will pop up, because healing is not linear. It's like, oh my God, I'm healed.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I'm dying. Oh my God I'm healed again, like, oh, I'm going backwards, you know so it's. It's constantly the kind of up and down during this lifelong healing journey. So when we're in those lows we really have to rely on us and bring, you know, the power back to us, and one of the ways we can do that is through intuition. So we stop giving blindly, giving our power away to the experts.
Speaker 2:Even me, like I always ask my my, with my clients, I always ask them have you tuned in first? Tune in first and see what you get. Then let's tune in together and then we can see, you know, what's kind of best for you. But so for somebody that's, you know, highly anxious and they say I need to know, I just need to know, just, I need to know what the baseline is or where I am now, you know, for somebody like that, they would need to scan. You know, scanning would be in their highest interest.
Speaker 2:And if, if somebody else like myself, who probably would have trouble sleeping knowing that I've got to like I'm about to go into war or like battle in a few days, if I have to go to the hospital or something like that, you know that's very draining and very, very heavy for me as well. So I'll have protocols before I go in. If I go to see a doctor or something, I'm putting protective shell around me or I'll clean up my energy even afterwards, you know. So I'll have protocols before and after. But really for the individual it's not like a one stop shop but like the hospital that you were mentioning, almost like a factory, right you?
Speaker 1:jump on the belt.
Speaker 2:You're like jump off for chemo and jump back on and jump off for radiation or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's quite hard, isn't it? When you go in and you decline, like actually you want you, kind of want you, there's, there's a I guess there's a need for the support to a degree from. But when you decline certain treatments, like I? I, when I was um, pregnant, I was, uh, 42, nearly 42, my second baby, and well, with both babies, I declined the glucose test, well done, and, oh my God, I was given a really hard time about it. Like you know, you're high risk, why, you know why? And I was like, well, I don't eat sugar, so it just doesn't make, it's just not logical for me to like, of course, my body's going to respond to it like I don't think I need it and like they were really, really pushy. So I can't even begin to imagine how you would feel when you know, if you do, if you find a lump in your breast, as you did, and then you say it's like going to war, you're not taught, we're not taught to trust that we have the capability to heal, but also that kind of sense of I'm pretty sure I would be feeling like I want to get rid of it, like I'm pretty sure I would be feeling like I want to get rid of it, like I want to act fast. What do I need to do so?
Speaker 1:Like allowing your clients to take that step back, to take a breath, take a moment and like actually make some more conscious decisions rather than just being pulled along by by the system. How do you do that when, like, when do people come to you? When do your clients come to you? Is it when? Is it like, um, as a sacred healer, are you healing all the time, or your and your or your clients have already found out that they've got cancer, if they like? Oh, I've just given you about 700 questions in one like how do you? Okay? Scenario. It's like that scenario of, like I've just found a lump, I go to my doctor, the doctor sends me into the system and they're starting to say we need to do the biopsy, we need to do the scan, we need to, you need to have this treatment. And like, basically, your first experience Right At what point does someone come to you, instead of getting sucked into that vortex.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So my clients like vary. So some of them, um, some of them have lost parents to cancer and and, and the fear is so real they're like, well, I'll do anything, cause I'm a parent and I'll do anything you know to heal. Some are like you know, I've got, I've had digestive issues for a while now, or I've had pain for a while now like chronic, um disease in the body. So they're like I just want to get to the root cause and I've tried. And many of my clients have gone the conventional route, have not gotten the answers that they want, that have gone even the naturopathic route and not getting the answers they want, because even the conventional and the naturopathic both use the same approach.
Speaker 2:It's like a reactive physical healing solution. So you know, with the conventional world it's like you know you get sick and then it's usually you know medication and the cancer world is surgery, chemo, radiation. You know medication. But even in the naturopathic world it's still like IVs or supplements or diet, um, you know oxygen, you know whatever that is, so oxygen therapy. So it's still like physical base and and with me like where I start um, it's like first things first. And and me like where I start.
Speaker 2:Um, it's like first things first is that I need to educate, cause again, we're not taught this in school, we're not taught this by the media, we're not taught this by the medical system, because they're not even taught. And there's so many beautiful souls that work in the hospitals that you know that are doctors that really genuinely care for the patients and they and they, they want the best for them. So it's not a it's not like I hate the system and there's. No, I don't have any anger or resentment towards the system, but it's not enough. You know, if, if you're dealing with anything acute, you break your arm or you know you're giving birth and you need an emergency C-section, then yes, like you know, there is a time and place for medication and the hospital. But if we're dealing with anything chronic, then the hospital isn't enough.
Speaker 2:We have to make changes holistically. And just like I mean cancer, but any dis-ease in the body, it happens first and foremost with thoughts. It's like we think negative thoughts and a lot of times we get stuck in this loop. It's like you know the infinity symbol. It's like we get stuck in this loop and these patterns that we keep playing over and over again. So if something happens, we replay the past and we expect the future to be that past programming. So the first thing that I do when somebody comes in, whether they're just going the prevention route or actively healing something or even, you know, healing cancer, you know, whatever that range is the first thing I do is educate them. Because you know, just like you know I guess it's gone now, I don't think you can see.
Speaker 1:You can see a little bit of purple.
Speaker 2:Anyways, in August, you know, I sliced my hand I was anyways mowing it caught it, had a. It had a you know bad cut, deep cut on both my fingers, and, you know, had to wear bandages for, you know, for a few weeks because it was, you know, open and whatever. I didn't think, I didn't think like, um, I should go see a doctor. I didn't think what supplements I should, I should change my diet, I should change this. I changed it. It just healed. It just healed on its own.
Speaker 2:Our body is always, always, always, always in a state of healing or adapting. We have been programmed to think that our body is always acting against us. So when we have pain, we're like, shit, I've done something wrong, I shouldn't have eaten something. Or it's like I, what, what's wrong, what's wrong, what's wrong, what's wrong, that's, that's that's where our mind goes. But if we, you know, flip the script and we think, you know what is my body healing, or this is a healing response, like even just the common cold, you know if, if our nose is running, if we're coughing up mucus, this is detoxing right, we can only detox with. Sorry, let me just back up for a second.
Speaker 2:The only way for us to get sick is toxicity and deficiency. Toxicity and deficiency and we tend to think physical because of, again, the conventional world or even the naturopathic world. But it's not, you know, it's again. It's mentally, emotionally, physically, environmentally and spiritually toxicity. Mental toxic thoughts, toxic emotions. You know, mentally, emotionally, physically, environmentally and spiritually toxicity Mental toxic thoughts, toxic emotions, toxic environmental toxins and then spiritually, living too much in fear. And we're all fed a diet of fear with everything that we're seeing in the media and the news and everything we have access to Worldwide news at our fingertips every second and everything we have access to Worldwide news at our fingertips every second.
Speaker 2:So anytime, you know, before growing up, you and I, you know, we would watch the six o'clock news or you know the 10 o'clock, yeah, if we were made to. That's it. Otherwise it was out of sight, out of mind and we were living our best lives. Now we've got the news on our phone, at our fingertips all over the world. So it is really overwhelming. So it's like all of a sudden I check, you know, I don't know the weather, and something pops up and I see war or death or whatever and I'm like, so it's like I just saw a bear. I walked around the corner and I saw a bear.
Speaker 2:I'm like so now I've got all this pent up energy and now I'm like swallowing it into my body. Right, so I've got all this energy, now I'm swallowing it into my body and I'm not getting it out in healthy ways. So when we store these negative thoughts in our bodies, we start to feel negative thoughts and then eventually, because we're not acknowledging our emotions or processing them or, you know, getting them out in healthy ways, now our body starts communicating out of love, not out of hate, not because we're being punished, we're bad or we did something wrong. It's just helping us out, like, hey, you've got a little bit too much toxins here, let's get this out in healthy ways. So first things first is I really want to help educate people on how we get sick, why we get sick and how we can heal, using a holistic approach. So when somebody comes in, it's first that education piece, like really understanding how we heal.
Speaker 2:If it's the cancer, I educate the cancer piece as well. And just quickly. I mean, with cancer, if I have a lump on my shoulder and say I'm a car, the lump represents the check engine light. So the check engine light is blinking. So if I come in with surgery and I'm I'm pulling the, I pulled the lump out, and then I'm like, oh, let me pour poison on the car, chemo, let me burn where that you know where that check engine light was radiation. And then I'm like, good, you're good, your car is fixed. Now, like I would be the worst mechanic the worst mechanic because my car is the system. It's a systemic issue. It's not just a localized issue, it's a systemic issue. So we want to clean up the system, but first things first. We start with the mind. We build belief. I will not even I won't work with anybody that does not believe they can heal, because I know how quickly and I've seen how quickly I mean health can turn around when the belief isn't there. So first things first is like educating, building up the belief.
Speaker 2:And then we start implementing protocols and usually the first place people want to start is physical protocols, which is yeah, which is amazing. And then we always add in the other protocols and with my program, you know, it's always like choose your own adventure. I give like lists of protocols, of things that we can do, and we come up with them together, but but I always get the person involved, because one, like intuitively, if I give you a list of 10, you know, for you maybe two would be highlighted and I'm like, okay, so intuitively, you're drawn to those two. Let's do those two because our highest self, you know, we know, we know we have this ancient wisdom within us.
Speaker 2:You know, we've been taught that I'm not super religious, but I am, I'm very spiritual, but we've been taught that God is, like, you know, above us and like sitting on a cloud judging us, and I feel like we are one, you know, and, yeah, we've got that universal energy within us, like God energy is within us so we can tap into that anytime that we want. And we have been, you know, pinned into a very small box to like live in fear, and we are far more powerful than we've ever been led to believe and when we start implementing these protocols, like I have seen, yeah, so even one of my clients right now is almost cancer-free after I think we're at four weeks, maybe five weeks now, and he's almost, you know, cancer-free. You know it's just, it's not me, it's not me, it's not my protocols, like it has nothing to do with me. I'm holding like the frequency, you know, and clients are meeting it, but it has nothing, yeah, nothing to do with me. But that's where I would start education, belief and then holistic healing protocols.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's, yeah, it's amazing. Uh, and, like you said that, the, the um, it's really shifting your um, yeah, your beliefs, isn't it like um, because there would be a whole bunch of doubt that would start to come up, you, so you had your, you found a second lump around 2020.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you said you had the biopsy and you chose to. The reason I'm coming back to this is because you've had your own, you are living this, you teach it, but you're not just some random person who's like teaching people to heal. Naturally you're, you're in it, you're doing it and you're like proof that this could happen. And I've got a um, some other examples that I've seen on um, you know, online in quite recent times. But so you had. You said you regretted the biopsy, but post biopsy you decided to just go for it, like you, and not have any other treatment apart from healing holistically. So you obviously had a whole bunch of protocols that you followed. How did you know? How did you know um, how, if you decided not to do scanning and and all of the other things that you've said that the medical system will generally recommend, how did you know when you were getting better, was it a feeling?
Speaker 2:yeah, great question. Um, you know it's funny. I remember the first time somebody told me that I could clean my windows using vinegar and water and I was like get the F out of here. You can't clean windows with vinegar and water. Like you need glue stuff, you know. And I did. I did, you know, half a cup of vinegar, half a cup of water and about 20 drops of lemon essential oil and I cleaned my windows and it worked. Like I was like no streaks, no, nothing. That blew my mind blew my mind.
Speaker 2:So it's not like I just jumped from you know all like allopathic or you know all conventional. And then I was like, oh, I have cancer, now I'm going to heal naturally. Like, yeah, that's heavy, that's people do, people do do that, but that's like like that's really really heavy Because it's like all of a sudden I haven't really trusted myself up to this point and now I'm going to do it when I'm like the you know, the scariest I've ever been with, dying, you know. So that's, that's really challenging. So I remember even just starting with windows, you know. And then I remember when my son, you know, I was taking them to the doctors, you know, when they're first born. And every time I went they were like you know, your kids are too small. I said, well, my kids are half Asian. Like, what are these? What are the averages? Are they just a bunch of like big white dudes? Like my kids are probably not going to line up with them, you know, and so I was, you know, just again, just questioning the system.
Speaker 2:And I remember taking him once when he cause I brought him to daycare and you know lots of colds and sicknesses and whatever and he had a chest infection and the doctor was like, oh, here, just give him this puffer. And I was like, wait a minute. I've seen this puffer when I was like a teenager and I and it was like, can adults take it? I'm like, oh, yeah, if you get sick, you can take it to Charlotte. I was like so my one-year-old can take the same amount of steroids as my big lungs, as his little lungs can Like. So it's like throwing. You know, if I take a cup of salt and pour it into my smoothie, or I take half a cup of salt and, you know, put it into my bathtub, the toxicity is going to be different. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So when they said that I was like oh, like absolutely not Keep your prescription, I'm not giving him you know, I'm not giving him that and I was like putting essential oils on and detox baths and you know anyways, lots of cuddling and you know nursing and you know all that stuff. And he got better and I was like Whoa, like I've been taught my whole life If you have a chest infection or asthma or bronchitis, like it can get serious really quickly and you don't want it. And I was like it got better really easy. I'm like, huh, okay, so I started kind of building up with those kinds of things, right, and then so when and then as you practicing, you start to kind of feel and uh, and I would say one of the best practices that I that I think that I highly recommend everybody do is meditating, meditating daily. I mean I and I hated it.
Speaker 2:I remember the first time I did it for 10 minutes and I was like that was the worst 10 minutes of my life. Do you know how many things I could have done in those 10 minutes? Like that was useless, like please don't ask me to meditate again. You know, and that was, you know, I don't know 20 years ago or something. But but I started with like five minutes and you're just sitting there thinking about your to-do list and somebody suggested guided meditation. So I was listening to guided meditations and love that and I would listen to it for 10 minutes, and 10 minutes the first seven minutes I was thinking my to-do list and then three was like heaven. So I was like, well, let me go a little bit longer. So then it was like again 10 minutes to do list and then distraction and noises and then it was like five minutes of heaven. So I just kept extending it, extending it, and when you get to those sweet spots, like now, I can go deep pretty quickly because I practiced, you know, meditating like one to two hours a day for the first year after getting diagnosed, but then now I do it about I don't know half an hour to an hour every day. But when you're meditating you get a lot of downloads, you get a lot of images and you get a lot of. You know you'll start to learn a lot of things. And I know it sounds woo, woo and I know it sounds crazy, but if you practice it and you try it, I mean it's it is. It's crazy, exciting what can happen. So that's, that's one. The thing that I would definitely suggest doing is meditation, because it will really get you to tune into your body and you you're very aware of all the sensations and where your energy is going.
Speaker 2:And then another way, like things like I had major digestive issues, like H pylori, um, pain like in between, like cause I was holding all my stress in my stomach, you know, watching my dad pass. So I, you know, so I couldn't eat, and even when I wasn't eating, it would hurt. So all of a sudden, my stomach was amazing and I was like, oh, okay, that's great. I was sleeping better, weight was coming off, like not crazy, like I'm losing weight, but I was active, you know, hiking every day and working out and eating, you know, cleaner and whatnot. So weight started coming off. I started to feel better.
Speaker 2:You know, cracks on my heels started to go away, but it wasn't at first. I mean, at first, when you're detoxing, it is, it's rough man, it's rough. I was like breaking out in acne and I'm like, what is all this acne? I'm like, okay, toxins will look for, like the quickest exit point. So it's looking for your skin, it's looking for, you know again, nose, ears, mouth, I mean.
Speaker 2:I remember at one point breaking out in a full body rash. So it's like you start to feel better. It's like, oh, cracks are going, digestion's great. And then it's like, boom, full body rash. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is like am I going backwards? Am I going forwards, like what's happening? But you start to see little signs, like throughout the way. And you're, and as I'm doing it like whenever fear pops up, I'm always I have my fear, like protocols in place where I'm building back up my belief. So anytime I kind of veer off, I'm like like right back in the zone. But that's I mean, that's really what you're doing. You're seeing so many like subtle changes where you're feeling better, you have more energy.
Speaker 2:Um, like during those two years in COVID, you know, I stopped going to the gym, I stopped working out. So I was gaining like lots of weight, like I think I was at one point like 220, um, like the heaviest I've ever been, ever in my life. Um, so you know, even just losing that. So you'll you'll start to see a lot of like physical progress. But again, healing isn't linear.
Speaker 2:So when you're detoxing, your symptoms can be all over the place and even my lump got like bigger before it got better as well. So even that was like frightening. And because I've studied it and I know all these things, it's like, nope, this is good, this is good. So when I broke out the rash, I was like, oh, this is great. Like I was kind of geeking out over my symptoms, um, you know. And then after a few days you're like, okay, I'm over this now. I don't want to geek out on this, like it can go now, you know. But you, yeah, you manage the symptoms, but you'll, you'll see many positive signs, like throughout your journey, sleeping better less pain, you know, no more back pain, like my back was being thrown out every, you know, quite frequently.
Speaker 2:And you know, now I feel stronger than ever. I mean I'm almost 50 and and I can keep up with my kids and, you know, go hiking and run with them and I still play sports and yeah, feeling so much better now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, amazing. Could you talk a little bit more to the emotional side of things? Because I feel like I'm totally with you with the toxicity stuff and that the environment is a big factor, like I've met people in my life who've lived in very you know. They've lived in India and then came back and had a very rare form of testicular cancer within months of living in this place where it's really high because of the pollution and the industry there. So that's a massive part of it and we're exposed to so much more of that. I have to say that sometimes I think even the medical profession can discount those things. But there's toxicity in our food as well. But that emotional stuff I really feel like that plays and you've obviously touched on that a lot that plays a massive part.
Speaker 1:I came across Louise Hay and I've talked about this a little bit in my podcasts previously, but when I was in my sort of mid to late 20s and she's the perfect example right of healing cancer naturally. And I guess over the years I've become much more aware of how that all works. And we've got people like Bruce Lipton, we've got Joe Dispenza. They're all talking about that metaphysical and how our thoughts control our physical like can have a massive impact on our physical symptoms and our emotions, and you've talked about this from your own experience, like the amount of pressure you were under in your work the second time when your dad passed away, and so can you talk. Could you tell us a little bit more about that? And also like different. Oh, have you got what books that? Is that your book?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's Louisa. No, I feel like every household needs this book.
Speaker 1:Yes, I totally agree, it's not, you don't have to read it front to book?
Speaker 2:Yes, I totally agree, it's not. You don't have to read it front to back, it's just a reference.
Speaker 2:Yes, you just look at the body parts, or an ailment or an illness or a disease or whatever you're looking at, and then it will tell you what emotions you're holding and it'll say like an affirmation but I really believe the root cause of all disease is is our thoughts. And I remember the first time I heard that I was so pissed, nadine, I was like F that I didn't think about this. I didn't, I was like there's no way. There's no way. But if you look up cancer, it's anger, resentment, grief, and I can say like both times I created the perfect storm mentally, emotionally, physically, environmentally and spiritually. Both times I created like the perfect storm.
Speaker 2:And the conventional world does not get rid of stem cells. So it will again remove the lump, but it's not getting rid of the cancer stem cells. And if we want to get rid of the cancer stem cells, we want to make sure there's loads of oxygen in our body. Our body is more alkaline and we want to increase, you know, hydration and movement and you know, and all that physically. But behind the scenes we need to look at the emotions. I mean, I remember, you know like I remember learning about this going I don't know, man, that's pretty woo, woo. It's pretty out there. I'm not too sure if I'm buying into this. And I remember doing vision boards with my, with my husband. We were doing vision boards and I was getting so excited. I was like, oh, this is good, this is our lives are going to be so amazing.
Speaker 2:Like, are you ready? Like this is crazy, this is so good. And then I was like, oh, I'm going to bring it up to my room, because we were doing it outside and, anyways, brought this going to happen. What move should I do?
Speaker 2:First, though you know this is what I'm thinking from all of a sudden excitement, you know, worrying all the way to, you know, to go upstairs, and on the way, you know, I stubbed my toe so hard that I thought I ripped my pinky toe off, and I was like just tell me it's still there. Just tell me it's there. I thought I thought it was gone. So I looked up toes. So, when you bump an elbow or your hand or whatever, look it up. So I looked up toes and it was um, uh, let me look it up and read it word for word. So I don't um say it, but it's, it's all about worrying about. Stop worrying about the minor details of the future represents the minor details of the future. So I was like, oh my gosh, that's exactly what I was doing. So I, when I bump, like I said, when I bump an elbow, I'm reading it, and I'm like, oh my gosh, like, right then and there, that's exactly what I was feeling. So I keep this out like on my desk and I'll even say to the kids, if they stub a toe or bump an elbow in our hand or whatever, hey, go look that up, let's go look and see what that is and let's see if it resonates with us or not, because I want my kids to clear out that emotion as quickly as it kind of comes in, and that's why tantrums are a good thing To get it out right. So when we have that fearful, bare energy that we're storing in our body, we need to get that out in healthy ways. So journaling, talking, setting the intention that you're going to get it out as you're walking by yourself, you know, going for a walk, meditation, you know, help, please remove that or even just writing down your fear. But even it's like, whatever you set the intention to like get that energy out.
Speaker 2:I remember the first time I went to a retreat and they said, oh, we're going to do a tantrum, and I was like, oh, like I don't really feel that angry. All retreat, and they said, oh, we're going to do a tantrum and I was like, oh, like I don't really feel that angry All right, sure, this is right after cancer treatment. And um, and they said, okay, you know, here's some gloves and a bat and a pillow. And I was like what are we getting gloves for? They're like, oh, we're just going to be batting. I'm like, yeah, but yeah, it's fine, it's a plastic bat, like we'll. She's like we're going to be doing it for four hours and I was like four hours. I was like I'm not even angry. And the guy behind me was like die mother. And I was like, oh, and then I'm like, I'm getting this energy out.
Speaker 2:But think about it man From birth, even being put into school, we're not doing what we want to do. There's a sense of injustice. You know we're under fluorescent light. I mean, your kids are homeschooled now and might get back in the system, but but you know, like sitting under fluorescent lighting with no you know, being forced to study things that we don't even care about, but a lot of things are not even relevant, you know, or even you know, being raised by parents that are unhealed as well, and all the things that we're. You know that we're getting to.
Speaker 2:So you know, whenever I'm working with my clients, whatever the triggers are this is what I was saying at the beginning if we're triggered, it's a good thing, it's really a good thing. If you're getting pissed or getting angry about anything, okay that you know, that's good. And then we have protocols on how it's like sadness, a sense of injustice or grief, so we want to get to that root cause. So we're like okay, so when we do some protocols, like now, to help get that energy out, and then we're like when was the first time that you remember feeling this way? And intuitively, every single person knows, and you always think, oh, I'm not going to know. I'm like just close your eyes and think about it. And they always come back and they'll say, oh God, when I was seven years old, you know this happened or that happened, or it's not.
Speaker 2:Like I'm not saying you know, everybody's got like this big abusive story. It could be something so little. It could be like oh, this teacher, I bought cookies for the teacher and that was enough to kind of hold in where you're feeling the sense of rejection. So anytime that you're rejected you're getting that trigger. That's like having a when the teacher said, no, you know, this is your button. So anybody comes and says, no, I don't want to play with you. It's like, boom, we're hitting the button.
Speaker 2:And then throughout the years it's like the button keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So it becomes, you know, very little. Somebody cuts you off and you're, like you know, screaming and yelling at them and it has nothing to do with that person. It really kind of goes back to a series of events. But once you find out what that button is and you remove it, it can be gone within seconds. Like really it's healing can happen that quick. And when we shift our thoughts, when we're open to new possibilities, when we're shifting our energy. Now our physical matter starts to shift. But our physical matter cannot shift without you know, without our mind. And if you've ever read the book or seen the chart Power Versus Force by Dr Coggin, yeah, there's a level of consciousness.
Speaker 1:So at the bottom in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a level of consciousness. So at the bottom, the lowest frequency is shame, yes, fear, grief and all of that Right, and we're fed a diet of that. And when we're in that, we experience inactions. We don't even take any action. And then as we raise our frequency, we can move up into anger. And when we're in anger, you know we're still doing like hyperactivity. So it's like, oh, my house is a mess, like, okay, f this, I'm going to clean my whole house and you clean your whole house. And then by the end you know, five hours later you're exhausted, you're tired and but you completed your goal. So when we're in a low vibrational state, like things move very slowly and we're getting impatient and now feeling it in our body and our body is producing unwanted symptoms right now because we're pissed, we're like why? Why we're not getting to where we want to go. But then as you raise your frequency and probably the most important step is courage, doing something or thinking something outside the box or taking action now you start moving into happiness and joy. And then, when you start again, you keep continuously work on yourselves and you work. You know what lights you up.
Speaker 2:Medicine is not just in the doctor's office. It's not just with coaching, medicine. It's like what brings you joy, what are your hobbies? What do you love to do? What did you do as a kid? Like, do that more often? You know we need energy to heal, so we need to get that good energy from other places. And when we're operating in a state of like feeling peace, peace is like that's ease. Peace is completely different frequency than cancer, like anger, resentment. It's like which one are you going to plug into? You can't plug into both. Cancer cannot exist in joy, in peace, in enlightenment, right and even in acceptance. It cannot exist there. It can only exist in a low vibrational state. So the longer that you're staying in a high frequency state this is why I do holistic and not just physical, mental, emotional, physical, environmental and spiritual and when we're operating at a higher state, dis-ease cannot exist there. And that's where people like you had mentioned, like Joe Dispenza, healed his back broken, back broken in different spots, healed it just by meditating.
Speaker 2:Louise Hayes again like healed it, naturally. I mean. There's thousands of examples, thousands of examples, but many of these examples are blocked on.
Speaker 2:Google are blocked on Facebook are blocked on Instagram. On Facebook, I'm blocked on Instagram. I mean even in Canada, here we do a run every September for the Terry Fox run. Terry Fox was a young man, beautiful soul, that had cancer. He had his leg amputated because of the cancer and he wanted to run across Canada and he passed away halfway through. And so now all the kids in the school run for him, which sounds beautiful. But what? What are we programming the kids Like? Every year in September, every child that comes into that school. Cancer equals death and the only option that we can do is surgery, chemo and radiation. Every single child that goes into the school board learns about him. Every year, they run for him.
Speaker 2:Imagine if they ran for somebody that healed naturally. Imagine the empowerment that they would feel. Imagine how expansive their energy would be. This is how things happen so quickly. Things can heal very quickly when we're in that elevated state, and I think about even my own healing journey as well.
Speaker 2:If I had healed in the beginning, I would have been yelling at everybody. Nadine, you need to go on a raw food diet. You need to eat plant-based raw food diet. If I would have healed a few months later, I would have been like you need to go on Tibetan herbal medication in the next one, you know.
Speaker 2:So I think there's definitely divine timing, even in terms of my own healing that I'm during two and releasing, because I, you know, last week I had a massive breakdown and a massive breakthrough in terms of fear and I realized I was afraid my whole life. I had gone through lots of abuse as a young child as well and I had this deep, deep-rooted fear, a relationship with fear, and that served me for a long period of time because it kept me safe, but I don't need it anymore. So there was a lot of work that I needed to do to, like, help release that fear and um, and really step into faith and um, yeah, and, and I, I, I know, I know I will be announcing, you know, anyways, in divine timing, when it's meant to happen, but I know I am already healed, I know I am, um, just waiting for it to manifest, you know, and we'll see when that happens, but I think there's a reason why I haven't up until this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Wow, um, I'm very conscious that we've we're pretty well close to the hour. I've got a couple more questions, if you're okay to to go over it, um, and like, there's a whole bunch of things that I wrote down that we haven't covered. Um, that's okay, we'll save that for another day. But there's a couple, there's a oh gosh, I'm just going to pick, try and pick the two. Okay, there's two things. So there's this we've talked about the woo-woo and there's this. Okay, we get.
Speaker 1:You've talked about the fear and I absolutely love that. You, you know, you have this trust in the process and it's basically relearning. Isn't it Like learning how to use your intuition and that wisdom that your body holds, because we have been conditioned, you know, for so many years to block all of that stuff out, like it's not even a thing. If it's a thing, then it's woo, woo, right. And when it comes to healing cancer, naturally these two things that I want to ask you about are kind of interconnected.
Speaker 1:You get pushback from professionals. You know the doctor you said you felt like it's like going into a battleground. You get people telling you that you're irresponsible, selfish. Who do you think you are right? Yeah, go die quietly. Yeah, what about your family? Yeah, what about your family like, and you know, and and I've heard of other people who've um, who've gone on that natural healing journey and you know, have at some stage. I've heard of one person um, who just someone in you know, within my sort of network, who um tried to heal naturally um and didn't, and so he went. He then went down the the um medical route, but there's almost almost like a sort of um pity, you know, people talk about them like oh, you know they're, you know they think that they can do it naturally, yeah, kind of thing yeah, yeah, how do you deal with all of that?
Speaker 2:like, yeah, so like I'm yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm. You know, I'm a tough cookie, been through a lot, played a lot of sports, you know things like that. So, you know, I think I've developed thicker skin over the years, but in 2011,. So, when I left my career and started my career as a health and nutrition consultant, raw food chef and running retreats and coaching people, I mean I came out as a cancer coach first, and then people are like you're going to kill people. And I was like or coach first and and then people are like you're going to kill people. And I was like, okay, yeah, I'm not ready for this, I don't want to deal with this nonsense, and I just, you know, helped people heal holistically. And then, this time, after COVID, I was like oh F, that I am not here to play small.
Speaker 2:I. I feel very, very strongly and I will say this quickly, just quickly that I've studied in the last like 10 years. I've studied a lot of like near death experiences as well, like in people's stories, and people from all over the world, from all different religious backgrounds, from all different cultural backgrounds, have all said very similar things, and the things that they have always said is that they have this conversation, you know, with God or whoever you know they're speaking with, and they remember choosing their parents. They remember choosing. If they chose this you know this couple then you know these challenges would come up or this would help with growth. If they chose this might need to. So I firmly believe you know that myself, my higher self, god, you know, knows what they're doing and and I feel very strongly that this was part of my path- so this time, you know, after my father passed and I was like, very I was raised by a single mom but very close with my dad.
Speaker 2:So when he passed, um, and he was a huge support network for me as well, like it was, the grief is again like grief that I've never felt before either. And um, where was I going with all of that? Um?
Speaker 2:purpose and the near death when the lump came, it was like it was like this calm, like washed over me and uh, and I was meditating, just because I was trying to get this grief out. So I was meditating like minimum two hours like at a time, because I just and I would go in listening to a guided meditation. Usually Joe dispenses, because I, I love, love his, especially with headphones, cause he plays with sound which allows you to go deeper. And I remember bawling my eyes out and I remember at some point hearing a male voice loud it was not my dad, but a male voice loud inside my head and I said I was just like begging with God and I was like God, I'm like what else can I do? Like I'm doing this, I'm doing that, I'm doing this. And I was going through my list and then, loud inside my house, house in my head, I guess my house and it said you are healed, like loud, like a very authoritative voice I'm not saying it was, I have no clue who it was, I don't know it was was very loud voice. So when that happened, I like sat up in bed and I was like what was that? I'm like, okay, I'm like whoever said that, thank you, thank you, um, but I owned it. I owned it from the beginning. I've been studying, you know, people healing. I was, I was ready to use my voice then and even sharing.
Speaker 2:I think what the scariest part for me was, like I'm not fully healed yet and here I am helping people and I felt like, intuitively, I got that message like it's time to kind of come back out and it's time to get back to work and I was like you're crazy, Like I can't come out, I'm not perfect, I'm not healed, and I'm like, do it messy, do it messy, and thank God I did, because you know again like I've got somebody with lymphoma that's almost completely healed, somebody with skin cancer that's almost completely healed, somebody that had thyroid cancer. You know, it's almost like it's just it's crazy. Imagine I kept my mouth shut. Imagine I stayed stuck in fear. Imagine I didn't break out and, you know, raise up my frequency so I could step into courage. And then you know, experience that happiness and joy. So, yeah, I mean there were like some. You know experience that happiness and joy. So yeah, I mean there were like some.
Speaker 2:You know people that would come up and be like you know, get out of the medical system and just go home and die. And you know, some people did say nasty things but I recognize that's their hurt and pain has nothing to do with me. So I was able to completely separate that because I don't have that button. If I have that button, like if that fear comes and I'm feeling the fear, I'm like today's not a good day. I didn't sleep well yesterday, I didn't eat well, you know, and everyone's kind of upsetting me and somebody came and said it on that day. I wouldn't even respond. I would be like, okay, let me cancel my plans, let me go in and like shift my energy line back up so I'm feeling good again and then come back out. But I'm not letting people, yeah, like scare me um yeah, it's pretty, um, like it's a.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 1:It's just such a shift in perspective, isn't it because we do have this kind of like um I'm sick, I'm gonna die mentality right if you're diagnosed with something like that, it's the end, whereas you're, um, you, something like that, it's the end, whereas you're you're like well, this is my opportunity to live. It's a completely different perspective. It's like I'm going to do all of the things that make me feel amazing and you know, I guess, yeah, as I said, it's like that shift in perspective because for so many of us, it could be like well, I mean, even just working in the fitness industry, of not giving those things to ourselves and not living our best lives, or thinking we're thinking all of the bad things that are living our best lives. You know, watching telly after work, drinking alcohol, whatever it is, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know I'm guilty of doing.
Speaker 1:yeah, the distractions I've, I'm guilty of distracting myself, but yeah, so it's a real perspective shift and it's like, yes, I have, you know, been diagnosed with disease in my body, but that's my. That's a sign that I need to go deeper and also appreciate more of all of the things that are in my life and we don't need to own the diagnosis right, there's a reason why the diagnosis is there.
Speaker 2:There's a reason why the label is there. The staging is there, like all of that, because it messes with your head, right you know, like stage three, stage four, it's like, ah, no, but my cancer is worse.
Speaker 2:And then we have a competition whose disease is worse, like no, no, mine's worth, you feel that, but mine's worse.
Speaker 2:And it's like, ah, no, but my cancer is worse. And then we have a competition whose disease is worse, like no, no, mine's worse, you feel that, but mine's worse. And it's like, no, if you understand healing, then healing is, it's healing. We're naturally, we're always in a state of healing. So if we can really own that and truly understand, that's where education comes in really understand, like the fever, I mean just a fever. I mean when we have water out in the wild, we want to, you know, boil it. So we're burning off and killing off all the bacteria or viruses or whatever that could be, you know, lingering in that water. So even when our body has a fever, what's you know? We've been programmed. Oh, you have a fever, take a Tylenol quick. Take a Tylenol that's going to stop the fever. Well, now I've stopped the healing process. You know the body's like, what are you doing Right? Or if I have, like you know, snot running out of my nose and I've got a head cold, and I take Tylenol, cold and flu, I'm stopping the toxins from coming out of my nose. It doesn't make sense. So if you can like trust your body, those little moments with like head colds or sore throats and knowing that you have different healing options and, like I said, with my program I don't I don't just say like cancer. It's like if you have a sore throat, I have a whole like healing protocols with sore throats, digestive issues, pain, whatever, and I walk you through all of those holistically. So it's not just physical protocols but getting to the root cause as well. But if you can practice that with like a head cold or a sore throat or tummy issues and lean into healing naturally and doing all the protocols, then you start building up trust again.
Speaker 2:And then, when you start trusting your body and it's like, okay, now I know who you are, I can trust you, that you're going to do your job, but I don't have to grip the wheel so tight, I can truly let go and surrender, knowing that my body is doing exactly what it needs to do. And I think that's the biggest thing and you touched on that too, nadine like there's a reason why. You know, school is supposed to start at nine o'clock and we're supposed to be at our nine to five job at the exact same time we're supposed to drop off the kids. You know like a lot of the systems were designed, you know, to cause stress, to keep us in a low vibrational state, so and we don't have to fight against the systems or even hate the systems we can see what's working, what's not working, this isn't working for me, and where can I reclaim my power?
Speaker 2:But one of the biggest things that we can reclaim our power is through health.
Speaker 2:It really is, and if you can learn how and you know how we get sick, how we can heal using a holistic approach, like you're good, and when you learn all of these things, especially all of your loved ones are going to naturally learn as well, without even you physically saying anything, because you're operating at a higher frequency.
Speaker 2:When we're in a state of peace, we can affect up to a thousand people with our energy, a thousand people.
Speaker 2:When we're in a state of shame the lowest vibrational, and like we're always like oh, I did something wrong and I'm beating myself up, like we all go into shame I'm sure you know multiple times. You know a week nevermind a day, but um, or a day, nevermind a week, um, uh, but with with the shame, we can affect up to 20 people. So the high vibrational energy is so much more powerful than that low vibrational energy. Um, so, if we can continuously, like you know, again build up that trust with ourselves because again we've given our power away to all the systems and all the experts but if we can reclaim and start to rebuild that relationship with ourselves, we can rebuild that trust with ourselves, like this is how we heal, this is how and it's so much more than just getting rid of the lump or the pain or the digestive issues or any of that it's really about making life your medicine, lighting up every area of your life. So you're excited to wake up, you know, and hang out with whoever you're hanging out with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. That's beautiful and if you've got time for just one more, that would be a beautiful way to close, because I think that that's the this is. You know, one of the reasons I invited you on is because I do as I said at the beginning, we have very similar values and beliefs around healing and, yeah, living our best lives through and turn this light on.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's gone dark there. Dark yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll be quick.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no worries, no worries, I'm just like melting in the dark here and there we go.
Speaker 1:A little bit more um, and I want this to you know. This is this podcast is about empowering people, like sharing the possibilities, sharing people's stories, you know, raising the vibration of um, you know, with the people around us. There's this whole thing about, you know, shutting people down, shutting people like you down.
Speaker 2:Cancel culture, cancel culture.
Speaker 1:But not just from like you know someone who's following you and then goes oh, that's a load of bullshit, I'm not gonna listen. But like you've had your, you've had your facebook group shut down, um, have you been given like warnings from oh, yeah, yeah, like you're not even gonna have to talk about it. What the hell is that? Yeah, I mean, this doesn't get shut down. Maybe it's a good sign. Maybe it's a good sign.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I think so. Well, we'll do that. We'll set the intention that you are safe and your channel's message out there. But I mean, yeah, um, this is, this is so much more than just health, right, I mean it really is. I mean, if we go down that rabbit hole, it really is a spiritual war it is right, so it's like a frequency thing, um, so, yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 2:I mean we can, we can get like sucked into that or know that ultimately, like we have the power, we have control of of what we, you know what we need to do or what we, yeah, but, but, like I said before, it really is. I mean, the longer that I go on this healing journey, I really feel like it is a return to love, like learning how to love ourselves, because we've been again even with schooling, right, it's like you know, oh, I got 98 on my math test, okay, so what were the two questions you got wrong? Oh, yeah, they were circled in red. Like, oh shit, oh God, I'm a, I'm a fricking failure, cause I got these two.
Speaker 2:And it's like, oh, you just got 98. Right, too wrong. Come on, get go easy on yourself. But we've been kind of programmed to focus on what's wrong and what's not working, and then it's not us, it's just your genes, or it's not you, it's you know, it's just bad luck you know and it's like, well, if it's always just bad luck and something else, then what can I control?
Speaker 2:What can I control? Right? So it's a very disempowering systems, but if we can learn again to connect with ourselves and really connect with ourselves and this is where meditation is absolutely key, because when we meditate again, we're very aware of our body, the sensations in our body, and then we can get like messages. And I remember when I did a seven-day water fast, um, that was like that was tough, maybe. Yeah, that was, that was the toughest thing.
Speaker 1:I can't even begin to imagine while still cooking for my kids.
Speaker 2:Okay, like it was, it was next level. Um, although the sixth day I was like my husband came down and cooked a lemon loaf and I was like, is this the day that we get divorced? Is this the day he's like I'm sorry, I just tried to, you know, anyway, he was being an amazing dad and trying to make something for the kids from scratch and whatever. And I'm all you need to go. I can't smell food right now. But what was beautiful during that period is that you know, when you're hungry and you're not really sleeping and and I have this like weird pain, like even on my um, on my hip bone, so my, right away you know the monkey brain, the programming, comes in and I'm like, oh, is this cancer? Is a cancer spreading? Like what is this? And I was like, let me go meditate. So I was meditating for long periods of time and I set the intention that I was going to get that answer. And then it was like remember how you took chemo back in 2011,? They gave you put lots of heavy metals in your body, so we're pulling the heavy metals out of your bone. It's going to hurt for a little bit, but you're going to be okay and just keep going. So I mean, that was like a very clear message that I got you know, even during my meditation. But again, like I worked up to that and really like focus on connecting with me, like spending time alone, like walking in the woods, connecting with nature, and you know, and as I'm in there, like you know, I'm having conversations in my mind with myself or, you know, with God or whatever it is, and clearing out and doing the spiritual work. But I mean the more that you connect with yourselves, I mean the more empowered you're going to be, the more that you can stand in your power and going. No, that's not right. That doesn't feel right. I'm not comfortable doing that. No, thank you. And I think that's where you know.
Speaker 2:2020 and everything that happened was like one of the best things, and I lost a parent during that, you know, during that time too, but I think that was one of the greatest gifts that was given to humanity, because it allowed us to wake up faster than we've ever woken up. It allowed us to wake up faster than we've ever woken up, and now people are asking better questions. It's like, if you want a better life, we have to ask better questions, and now people are asking more and more questions and more and more truth is being exposed than ever before. We're seeing this in the celebrity world, we're seeing this in the music industry, we're seeing this in schools and in the medical community, and now in politics it's. We're covering a lot of systems and a lot of truth is being thrown at us. You know, left, right and center right now.
Speaker 2:So there's a lot of collective grief right now, a lot of grief because people are like, oh my God, like I thought I could trust this person, that I loved this person, and they're a bad guy, oh my gosh. So a lot of, a lot of grief is happening right now. So it's like, individually, what we're going through, and then we can also pick up collectively. You know what we're going through as well, but, like I said, the only thing that we can control is us and our frequency. So we want to make sure that we're changing our energy to one that feels good. And if you're like, what are you talking about energy? It's like you feel good, good, keep feeling good, exactly. Yeah, let's just keep it simple. Yeah, vibration frequency is like what are you talking about? Like forget?
Speaker 1:all that, just feel good. Our number one job in life is to feel good. Yeah, yeah, wow, thank you. This has been such an amazing conversation. I've loved all of it and there was a whole bunch more. As is often the case with my podcast, I'm always like, oh, we've run out of time. I appreciate that we've gone over time and, yeah, I just want to thank you for your amazing work and for joining me today.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you, Thank you, thank you Truly, and yeah, I just love your energy.
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