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Awakening to Our True Selves - Psychologist, Kasia Dodd

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What if the journey to wholeness isn't about finding something external, but about rediscovering what's inherently within us? 

Join us as we explore this profound concept with Kasia Dodd, the insightful founder of Inherence and a renowned therapist. Kasia provides a deep dive into the human experience of seeking connection and self-awareness. She sheds light on the paradox of loneliness amidst company and the profound completeness that self-awareness can offer. This enlightening discussion reveals the transformative power of embracing our inner space and understanding how our past shapes our current self-perceptions.

Kasia helps us unravel the complexities of our internal dialogues, focusing on the primitive brain's role in maintaining survival instincts that might no longer serve us. By recognising and observing our thoughts, we can begin to overcome these patterns. Kasia introduces powerful practices like journaling, meditation, and EFT tapping as tools to foster self-awareness. Through this journey, we explore the vibrant connection between our inner child and inner parent, discovering how engaging with these aspects can bring enthusiasm and presence to everyday life. Our discussion highlights how this internal harmony can turn mundane experiences into meaningful adventures.

In our conversation, Kasia delves into the dynamics of emotional and generational traumas, emphasising the process of healing by reprogramming the inner parent. By releasing past traumas, we allow for a more authentic connection with our inner child. We ponder the nature of life's journey as a rediscovery of interconnectedness, where personal stories and experiences serve as mirrors to our unknown selves. Whether seeking personal fulfilment or pursuing deeper collective consciousness, this episode offers invaluable insights into the continuous journey of self-discovery and growth, all while addressing the profound impact of feeling unseen and the importance of healing emotional wounds for genuine connection.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to Life, health and the Universe, bringing you stories that connect us, preventative and holistic health practices to empower us and esoteric wisdom to enlighten us. We invite you to visit our website, where you can access the podcast, watch on YouTube and find all of our guests in the guest directory. Visit lifehealththeuniversepodcastpageio. Now let's get stuck into this week's episode. Today we're joined by Kasia Dodd, founder of Inherence. She's a renowned therapist with 16 years of practice as a clinical psychologist. Educated and licensed in the EU. Kasia joined us last year, june the 28th. If you haven't listened to that episode, I highly encourage you to go back and listen to it. I listened to it again this week before this particular conversation and, yeah, it's full of so much good stuff, so I highly recommend you go back and listen to that. So, after years of extensive research, kasia has expanded her states of awareness. She's introduced the transformative inheritance process to connect individuals to their innermost self and, moreover, she's pioneered the introduction of emotional freedom techniques in Poland. Originally from Krakow, she now resides in the US and is immersing herself in deep inner exploration. How are you, kasia? Thank you so much for inviting me again. I'm really well. Thank you.

Speaker 1:

We don't know what's going to happen. So we had this interesting moment a week, two weeks ago, where I emailed you and just said how are you going? And you were like, oh my God, I've been thinking about you. And so we were like let's reconnect. But we're like, well, we kind of know that it was essential to do it, but we're like we're just going to allow the conversation to emerge. We had a little bit of preamble before we hit record. We're like what are we going to talk about? I am trusting that whatever needs to come out of our mouths today is that's what's going to happen. So I don't think we need to worry about it too much.

Speaker 1:

As I said to you before we hit record, the podcast is called Life, health and the Universe because I think that the life part, the stories that we have sometimes we can feel quite alone in our journeys. But when we hear stories of other people, yes, they can sound the same sometimes, but there's this familiarity that we're actually all going through a very similar process, with our own lens, our own perspectives, but our journeys in this human world are often very interconnected. The health thing obviously, I work in the health space and I'm very into um emotional health, but also our physical health and how we express ourselves and how that kind of helps us to connect with the I guess the 3d aspect of our lives and, and you know, be able to enjoy it more in good health, then obviously the universe leaves us open to a whole bunch of possibilities. I haven't let you put in a word yet, but that's my intro that's okay.

Speaker 1:

So thank you so much for being here again.

Speaker 2:

Let's see what emerges.

Speaker 1:

Is there anything you want to start with, or shall I just kind of keep going?

Speaker 2:

Well, when you were talking and saying about that we all humans share the same story and sometimes in difficult times we feel alone Then it sparked my mind Right and I would say that, yes, we all share the same story. I mean we have different lives, different functions, different events in life, different experiences, but there is a I mean that's how I understand it experiences, but there is a I mean that's that's how I understand and there is a common um common experience to all humans is to find our own self. So, no matter what we do, if we, what kind of role or function we have in the world, in what kind of state of process of development we are, I think the the biggest motivating factor for humans is to to become more and more whole inside, to know our deep self better and better, who we are, and be just ourselves. And I think it's directly connected with the feeling of loneliness.

Speaker 2:

The more we are disconnected from the deeper self, the more lonely we feel. The more we are connected to our deeper self, then we just don't know what loneliness is. So there are many people who are very social and have so many connections and big families and you could think they are not alone, but they feel very, very lonely inside, even if surrounded by people. And there are people who appear to be loners and they say I have no idea what you're talking about when you speak about loneliness. So I think that's the common experience for all of us, that we try to find the connection, connection, connection. But I believe deeply that the biggest and most important connection we try to find is with our deeper, deeper self yes, definitely, and that's what a lot of well all of your work is about.

Speaker 1:

Right, excuse me, yes, um, um, and I'm going through my, so this is just an aside. I don't. I'm not necessarily wanting to go into much detail about this, but I'm going through my own inner journey at the moment and there's definitely an interplay, because there's all of the past experiences, that kind of shape, who we think we are, that you can get really attached to. But there's also this other part. That's like I know that I'm part, I am part of the whole and that when that, when we hear that phrase I am whole, it's not about well, it is. It's about realizing that but also then accepting it and embracing that. Yes, so that is quite a journey.

Speaker 2:

Can you speak a little bit to that, because that's obviously the work you do yes, uh, the, the word embrace you said it's it's like a key word, because in the work that I do with people, there is a moment during going through certain processes and exercises that you literally have to embrace I mean not physically yourself, not like that, but inside, embrace the space you are in. Inside, embrace the space you are in, and it's so. It's so interesting because on one hand, everybody wants to be whole and be happy and confident and know who they are and and all that, but when it comes to actually doing it, it's unless it's in in a, in a form of idea oh yeah, we all want it. But when we start doing it and feeling it, what it actually means to embrace yourself, there's so so much resistance happening, so much programming coming.

Speaker 2:

No, I don't want it, I'm afraid of it, I'm, I'm afraid. Who, who, who am I going to find there? I don't deserve it. Oh, I can't be whole because nobody in my family is whole. I can be more happy than my family, for example.

Speaker 1:

So there's so much programming going on when you really touch the uh, the real, the real eye and and see the different beliefs there, yeah, it's a really, really fascinating thing to to be experiencing and, um the I'm just really amazed at like how, like you know, I kind of picture this person inside holding on to all of the old stuff for dear life, like, yeah, no, because you identify with so much of that stuff, even if you don't necessarily like it.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and from how I see it and understand it, it's the animal part of our brain, the automatic instinctual, that is responsible for different programs, survival programs.

Speaker 1:

Survival right?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, this part of the brain is very primitive. It's very powerful, but it's primitive, so it doesn't recognize consciously what is good or bad for you. It operates on familiar and not familiar spectrum of things. Okay. So whatever is familiar to it, even if it's dysfunctional and destructive, it will hold on to it, because it thinks when I know it it means it's good, when I don't know it, it means it's bad. So we have even this saying, how it goes in English, that the known hell is better than unknown heaven. Do you have this saying?

Speaker 1:

No, but it makes complete sense yeah.

Speaker 2:

So people choose hell, you know because it's familiar.

Speaker 2:

So this part of the brain doesn't feel safe when something is unfamiliar. It's just a program. So if the conscious mind thinks, oh, I would like to, I understand that this is so bad for me, I, I don't want to do it anymore and I see what would be good for me. But then you have to go to the primitive brain who has those, that has those programs and and and. If that brain decided that this new thing is not safe for you, but the familiar thing is safe for you, even if it destroys you, it won't. All red lights will go. No danger, danger, don't do it. Don't do it and resist, resist, resist because it's dangerous. So we have to really overcome our survival mechanisms to sometimes accept something that is really good.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so what is the first step, would you say, with something like that Is the first step literally just having an awareness, to start to be able to sort of hear the dialogue that's potentially going on between those two parts and then be like the third party that's just watching and differentiating between what's?

Speaker 2:

what? Yes, yes, the observer helps a lot, the part of the brain that can observe, because after a while, when you get more used to this type of work, you learn, the observer learns that the panic that the animal part of us has, it's just, it has no basis, real basis, it's just the internal panic. So, um, so you, you're not afraid of it anymore, to sit with it, to process it, to allow it. And sometimes people, when they, when they hit the deep, deep level of of our brain, it feels like you're literally going to die. And it's so real that people just run and they don't want to experience this feeling.

Speaker 2:

But once they went through it and they saw nobody died and nothing happened. It was just an internal feeling. There's more willingness to go through the process again when you need to release something deep. So first, yes, to recognize it, that something needs to be changed because this thing is dysfunctional and doesn't serve me anymore. Then, um, go into it and if you feel like you want to die or or you want to run because you, you are going to die, just stay with it. The more present and calm you are experiencing it, uh, it will, it will just go.

Speaker 1:

Eventually it will get processed and and then, yeah yeah, how much space do you think someone needs in their life to be able to go through this experience? Because I feel like, well, for a lot of people they've got a lot of the stuff going. You know, life stuff going on. That kind of is part, probably part of all of that internal stuff. Um, but that but, but they but they maybe don't have the time to step away from it or step back from it and observe what's going on.

Speaker 1:

Is there a perfect way of doing it? Like, do people need to set aside time? Do they need to talk to someone about it? Journal.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I mean, it all depends how well developed and trained if I can say that your inner observer is. If, if somebody's just starting learning how to observe, probably they need to set aside some time to remind themselves to train the observer. But the more you train the observer, it becomes present all the time, so so it's always there, so it's there. So even when you, you know, watch a movie or go for a walk or talk to friends or have fun, the observer is there and it's kind of you're not aware of it, but it's there. So if there is some moment, an important moment for you to see, suddenly you have this whoa, you pay attention. Even if you're in the middle of having fun or watching a movie, suddenly you pay attention because something important was there and you need to pay attention to it. So then it becomes automatic, this observer. So then you don't have to set aside special aside, special time. You just have the observer all the time and it just wakes you up whenever you need it.

Speaker 2:

But at the beginning, when somebody is just learning yes, journaling, doing my favorite EFT, tapping, eft tapping exercises that connects you with with a deeper awareness, and you can meditate, if somebody likes meditation and how you do it.

Speaker 2:

If it's five minutes a day or, you know, maybe one hour a week, whatever works for people, then yes, but it's very important to have the, to have the good connection with, with the deeper self, because that's where the essence is and and that's when the when you are connected to the deeper self, you always present.

Speaker 2:

So so, when using the metaphors that I use in in book, in the book, whatever you do, your inner child is always with you present, and in the inner child is, is, do. Your inner child is always with you present, and the inner child is the part of you that is always happy about everything that is being done. You know it's always enthusiastic. So, even if you're at work and doing something that is not very exciting theoretically, not very exciting, when you are connected and the inner child is with you doing this not very exciting thing, you are still excited somehow inside. It's just present. It's not mechanical, it's not empty. So it's so important to have good connection with this, the deeper self, the essence, the inner child, however we call it, so you just can enjoy life in every moment and not only when there's a special occasion.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's quite interesting. We spoke, as I said, our episode last year was June 28th, so three, what? Nearly a year, let's just say nearly a year ago, um, and so I've been kind of aware of this um, and I've been working with the gene keys and going through some, you know, personal processing and, um, uh, yeah, deep internal work. I guess you'd say and it was only like a few weeks ago that this really was apparent to me the idea of the inner child, that essence and the inner parent. And what became apparent to me was, you know, I think, when you say that inner essence, that inner child, that's always, you know, just loving, my first instinct is that doesn't. I don't feel that. And then, just recently, I began to realize that it's because of that other, I began to realize that it's because of that other, the inner parent, that's always, you know, reprimand, you know reprimanding you or telling you no, actually that's not right. You know that internal chatter, that's just quite negative.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah. So it's quite. You might not. Well, I guess my experience is you may not feel or hear, or even think that you have that inner child if the inner parent is somewhat out of control. Yes, and so the work really is the inner parent, isn't it?

Speaker 2:

do you think, yes, it is yeah, do you?

Speaker 1:

think that, like so, a lot of us say you know it's healing the inner child and you've kind of said actually no, it's not. Can you talk a?

Speaker 2:

little bit about that. And and um mean when we work with our programming and emotional trauma and whatever generational trauma we carry too, we do. We work with the inner parent structure. It's just not presented this way to the logical mind. So, explaining it what we actually work with it, it helps the mind to see what's going on inside. So when you do EFT, for example, when you, when you tap and do EFT and release some trauma, you release the trauma from the inner parent structure. I mean you still feel the same after doing EFT, no matter what you believe. You still feel the same, you feel relieved and you feel calm and peaceful.

Speaker 2:

But to understand what's going on is that it's the inner parent that is carrying all the programming, the beliefs that the structure heard from parents when we were children. Because the inner child is the essence that wants to be and play and enjoy life and experience everything. It doesn't judge anything, it's just it's open to, to everything possible, that that that wants to experience. And then the parent is is the one who knows things. So so the inner child uh feels, but the inner parent um thinks about the inner child. So the inner parent doesn't feel the inner child, it has the concept of the inner child. So the parent is the one who knows the inner child, because the inner child doesn't know itself. It's the parent that knows the child. So it's the I, that experience, and there is the thinking about the self, about the eye.

Speaker 2:

So if you have a lot of bad programming in the knowing part, then you cannot see the inner child straight and clear. You just see through dirty lenses and through some screens and with with some writing and painting, and you think you see the inner child, but what you see is the beliefs that are written on the inner wall, if I can say that. So. So then you can't actually connect to really authentically with the inner child when you don't see the inner child because, for example, the inner child wants to play and the inner parent says it's stupid, no, don't play, don't play that because it's stupid. People will laugh at you when you do this. So so what probably you're saying is something that your mom or dad were saying, or maybe teachers at school, and so you cannot connect with the inner child in that moment and the child just sits there sad or bored or rejected or not being able to block, not being able to, yes, waiting for the parent to show up and allow the child to play in the world.

Speaker 2:

So the essence, the inner child is the part that feels. The inner parent is the part that knows, thinks and estimates and chooses and discerns. And if it works, if there's no bad programming or bad images or bad beliefs, then the inner parent there is the processor. It can really clearly process whatever the child needs, sees the needs, estimates what's possible, what's not possible. Like a parent, right, the child says Mama, I want to play piano, I want to play piano, but the child cannot find a teacher, buy the piano, organize lessons, call whoever needs to be called. It's the parent that organizes everything for the energy of the child. So the same happens inside. When we see our inner child really clearly and listen and are really attentive to the needs, then we can properly process and organize whatever the child needs and then we are happy in life.

Speaker 2:

But if we have this bad programming, we won't do it. We would just push the child aside. You're stupid. There are more important things in the world than playing or whatever. Whatever it is, yeah, so it's the inner parent that has the problem. Whatever it is, uh yeah, so it's the inner, inner parent that has the problem, not the, not the child. Child is ready to play.

Speaker 1:

I had a really um great analogy, uh, with a guest a couple of days ago, um, and she's sort of said you know, when you're trying to make decisions, because there can be that whole thing of you know, um, you go all right, I want to change something, and then you have that inner parent, that's going on all of the reasons why you shouldn't, but that that I guess that essence, that the inner child is the one that's like wants to get out there and try new things, and, um, and I she kind of identified those and I was like, how do you figure out when to make the right move and when not to? And I feel that what you were saying is that the inner parent is much more mental. So if you have that mental chatter yeah, you know, kind of going you shouldn't do this, and blah, blah, blah, blah, and all of these things might happen. But then you tap into your physicality, then you'll get a much. You can get a much clearer. Yes, this would be a great thing for you to do, or no, actually, um, and it's very clear like yes, no, compared to blow, that's going on yes

Speaker 2:

so it's a fit more of a physical yes, yes, and and the the famous gut feeling is, is something that, uh, that it's. It comes from the inner child. It's very interesting because the child is always connected to the whole. The inner child is, I mean, that's how I see it the child is connected to the whole, but it cannot act without the help of the parent. But the inner child knows what it wants. It just doesn't know how it wants it. And so when we don't listen to the inner child, we will never know what we really want. We will try to figure it out by comparing, by thinking what's best, what's not best. But is it mine, is not mine hard to make a right decision.

Speaker 2:

So when, recently, just yesterday, I had this, uh, this process going on, I got a proposition, uh, to participate in some big project, and my first was like wow, oh, my gosh, this is so cool, I'm full, I'm going. Then I learned more about this project and suddenly it was like red flag. I just felt it like a cringe in my in, in my, in my stomach, right, okay. So my head says what are you talking about? It's so great, it's so cool, you should do it, because this, this, this, this and this. But I couldn't shake off this, this, this cringe in my stomach. So I started sitting with it, just just because it's the intuition, it's the, it's the gut feeling, it's the some, it's some kind of knowing before you know it consciously, of knowing before you know it consciously. So I could go with my right choice, because my headset is a very right choice for you, okay, but my stomach says okay.

Speaker 2:

So I, I was sitting with it for two days and almost two days and listening to this, like you said, said take the observer, take the attention, take the discerner, take the thinker to that feeling. Sit with it, the answer will come. And yes, and I got three different answers from three different, totally three different directions no, don't do it. No. Directions no, don't do it. It, no, don't do it. And so I got confirmation, not only from my own feeling, but when I sat with it and really connected with that feeling, suddenly three different answers not I mean not answers, but advices came from three different directions, saying no, confirming the gut feeling in my mind. The parent, you know um, said okay, okay, okay, this is not the way. The idea was great, but it's not the way. Choose another way. This will, you will regret with you choose this way. So, yeah, so.

Speaker 1:

So it's that really kind of affirms, yet yeah that sitting with it and how it makes you feel is really important and becoming more aware of when we're having that kind of like but the opportunity, you know, think of all the good things that could happen and you're, like you know, a clear yes or no from the gut, potentially it could be true.

Speaker 2:

You know a clear yes or no from the gut.

Speaker 2:

Potentially it could be true.

Speaker 2:

I'm not saying it was some kind of a bad trap, but if the inner parent really learns who the inner child is, that is this huge energy that is connected to the whole.

Speaker 2:

On the intuition level, the gut feeling level, you know more than what you know in the moment with the information you have. So you know it in the form of the feeling. So, for example, if I took this opportunity, it doesn't mean it would be some kind of a disaster, but the. But the deeper brain, if I can say that knows something that I don't know, and probably there is something bigger than this that I, if I, if I go into it will be even better for me and not only me. Um, so that, that, so that it doesn't have to always be that it's a bad, bad decision for you. But if the inner child knows something because it's connected to the whole and sees much, feels much, much more, if it knows through the feeling that there is something better than this, it will tell you in the form of the in your stomach, for example, and then it's the job of the inner parent, to listen to it, what it is, what you need, what you're telling me, and the answer will come.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it's like you said, if you did make the decision to go with the, that on that path, you could potentially still get to where you're going with the bigger thing, but you could go on a completely different yes, in a completely different direction, rather than and like that lesson might need to be learned for some people right Before they're ready for the next thing Exactly.

Speaker 1:

Let's, if you didn't, wouldn't mind talking a little bit about that, because we were talking before we hit record. We were sort of saying you know many and I think I mentioned it at the beginning many of us are going on a journey, you know, a life journey, and part of that we don't all make it, I think, in this lifetime, necessarily. But part of our journey is that, rediscovering that we're not separate from everything else. Now I've lost my thread. Yeah, so that's what I was going to say. So we're all going through this, right? So we're born and we forget, and then gradually, over time, we may remember as part of our process, and if we don't remember in this lifetime, then perhaps we'll remember in the next, and so on and so forth. But you were talking to that a little bit, that journey and that familiarity with telling stories and how someone might go. That sounds like me, or I recognize that. And you were then saying about how, yes, we need to evolve.

Speaker 1:

I guess where I'm going with this is learn. We need to evolve. I guess where I'm going with this is like I guess is it karma that I'm trying to you know when we learn from our stories. I don't know where I'm going with it. I think that you said you know it's okay to have stories and to share stories, as long as we're learning from our stories, that kind of thing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, stories are needed because, like you said, we are born and we forget. Right, we don't forget because we remember through the inner child. The child remembers the paradise before we were born. It's just a. It's just a conscious, the conscious part of us that wants to learn the self-awareness, right, that's, that's the part that needs to learn. And, um so, um, we, we go back. We go back, uh, to the place that we, that we came from. But we come back to that place with conscious awareness of what the place is. We never left that place, actually, because we are all the time connected to the wholeness, that place.

Speaker 2:

But the self-awareness, it needs to figure it out and consciously know it. So it's all about knowing, feeling and knowing. We have feeling from the beginning, but the knowing part is something that we have to acquire so we consciously can know the thing that we know on the feeling level, if I can say that. So we need experiences and stories. This is our mirror, because we have it inside, the whole universe we have inside, we have the paradise, and inside we have the soul, we have everything, all the goodies we have inside that we don't know it and the whole journey is to know it. So then we have experiences and relationships and and passions, and different things and activities we do, and through all of it we start knowing ourselves. So we are not unconscious anymore. We become more conscious of who we are, what it is, who we are what it is, and the system on this earth is designed this way that you learn it through experience, through getting involved in different things, so other people and things we do and experiences.

Speaker 2:

This is just a mirror for the part that is unknown. We have that part because we act, but we don't know it, and the inner parent is the one who needs to learn and know. So it's like with humans the child is born and it brings everything. The child has a whole package. Right, when the child is born into a family, it's a whole package that is being developed right, unfolding. It's unfolding when the child is growing and the parent doesn't know the child. When it comes to this world, it's just this thing, the bundle of feelings and potentials and energies. But the parent doesn't know the child. So the the uh. So the job of the parent is to be very attentive, observe, learn, study who this little thing is that came to this world, and by being really attentive and giving a lot of attention and learning. Then the parent is the one who helps to unfold in the world all those energies, and we do the same inside, between the inner parent and inner child structure.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so when someone has a repeating experience, that is generally a sign that the lesson hasn't yet been learned, and so it will just keep coming up. I think relationships are a really good mirror signifier of like, whether you're, whether you're progressing or not like just what your experiences are, especially with a personal relationship.

Speaker 2:

Yes. So all parts of our deeper self, their bigger desire is to be known, is to be recognized. It's like it's the biggest. You know, the biggest trauma for a child is it's of it's. I think it's even worse than than violence. It's not being seen. I mean if sometimes, you know, when I, when I listen to people's stories, when they, when they come to therapy and they talk about their traumatic childhood, for example, so the most desperate and dramatic moments when people say is when they were little children and, for example, mother gave them silent treatment on the back and imagine a five-year-old who is totally lost in the world and the mother is the only lifeline known and suddenly mother turns the back and decides not to see the child. So when the child feels not seen, recognized, then there's worse than being hit with a hand, for example, literally, because even when sometimes I heard those words, it would be better for me if they hit me than if they were just not present at all, when I saw them just back back of their all, when I saw the just back back of their you know, their back right, not face the bed, their back. So it's, it's a. It's very important to be seen and recognized and acknowledged and if, if the child doesn't get it, it's, they become very desperate.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, there's a being angry, a child it. It's a form of attention. I know it's dysfunctional, it's bad, it's traumatic itself, but it's a form of attention. No attention is even worse than that. It's like being in a limbo and dead inside. So our deeper self wants to be seen and recognized a lot. And if we don't do it with our own deeper self later, when we're still trying to know ourselves and develop internally, that's how those parts of us feel. They want to be seen. So in the relationship, if you have a close relationship with the loved one, that's where the parts are most active. They really want to be seen by the other person. If they are not, there will be drama.

Speaker 1:

So would you, in that circumstance where the mother has turned her back on the child, circumstance where the mother has turned her back on the child, would someone potentially experience that in a relationship, the same kind of behavior like shutting down, turning their back, not talking, yes, okay.

Speaker 2:

Yes, so, but for example, if an adult person who feels really whole and integrated when they have this type of argument in their relationship and the spouse, for example, turns the back, shuts the door and I don't want to talk to you for three days, right, it should not be devastating, it should be. If everything is okay with the person who experienced it, the healthy reaction should be okay, she has a bedtime, or she has a bedtime. I guess I have three days off for myself. Bye, that should be the healthy reaction. But if somebody went through this horrible not being seen in childhood and experiencing this silent treatment, they will be triggered severely in adulthood. You know when? When somebody did that to them?

Speaker 1:

yes, and somewhere in between could be there somewhere in between could be. I'm triggered. Oh, that thing is still there, right, right, yes. So like when you start to witness that in yourself.

Speaker 2:

Yes, when you start witnessing it in yourself, it means that your inner parent is waking up and start doing its job and saying hey, okay, I see you. You feel really, really triggered by it, but you know what? That's okay. Let him or her be with themselves they feel bad.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's got nothing to do with you. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, it's quite a process, isn't it? But some yeah, it's a process, it's there's, there's no, there's no magic pill for it. Would you say that this kind of process that people go through, like this, is really a journey to awakening, isn't it? That's what people are talking about when they talk about being awakened, and I always used to think that being awakened was like being spiritual and going and meditating every day. And I always used to think that being awakened was like being spiritual and, you know, going and meditating every day, and I've, like, I'm coming to realize that it's really just feeling more whole in your everyday life and like being at peace, in a having inner peace through the processes that you've talked about. Do you think that some people go through a huge awakening like a one-off, or is it a gradual unfolding?

Speaker 2:

Both, yeah, both can happen. I don't know what it depends on. Some people do it gradually, step by step, and some people have spiritual emergencies almost because the new reality opens so fast and so suddenly that it's like whoa, they're hit with it sometimes. So both happens. I don't know why, why this way or that way in your own life, like without going.

Speaker 1:

We don't have to go into any detail, necessarily, but like obviously. I think that when it, when people listen to this, if they haven't started their own process, they might feel like, well, it might not make any sense. When you start the process, it's like, well, there's no turning back, but it's continual, isn't it Like you've obviously been doing? This for a long time in your own. You've been in your own process for a long time in your own you've been in your own process for a long time?

Speaker 1:

Yes, but do you still feel like there are more layers?

Speaker 2:

Yes, I don't think that all the layers will ever be finished. Yes, but it changes. And you know most people they are not interested in digging deep into, like collective consciousness. Most people just want to be peaceful and in their own life, so they don't have many issues, they are in harmony with you know, it's what. Whatever they do, they are not interested in digging deep into some kind of really depths of everything. So so for those people who who have some past experiences, bad past experiences and they work on it and they release it and they feel more, uh, more alive and more, less stress and more, more whole, that's probably enough for them. Yeah, but some people who came to this planet, to dig yes, there's never ending story excavation.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I just did a session with with my friend who, who also does all this type of work. Just two days ago, three-hour session I did with her and we were digging deeper and deeper. It goes beyond personal experience, it goes into some collective programming. Right now, when we dive into those, those areas, we go into something really foundational for the whole humanity. It's not anymore about personal preferences or trauma. This is like gone. There's nothing there to find anymore. But there's still more on those, those other levels yeah.

Speaker 1:

Do you talk in those sessions, or is it a meditative practice or a bit of life?

Speaker 2:

oh the one, oh, with my friend. Yeah, this is, this is the expanded states of awareness. Okay, that we, you know, we dive deep and suddenly the spaces opened and we see structures. We, we have symptoms in the body, deeply somewhere in the body and we use commands like separate or because sometimes, when you see a structure, for example, you feel something heavy in your chest right when you work. And when you see a structure, for example, you feel something heavy in your chest right when you work and when you give attention to it, you suddenly feel or see that it looks like a big stone, and so we can use commands to actually dissolve those structures or separate those structures from your body. It's like a different type of work. It's not anymore working with trauma, emotions or beliefs.

Speaker 1:

It goes deeper and deeper, to foundations, like a blueprint, like a template of existence, more it sounds more kind of like cosmic, like a bit more sort of universal consciousness, rather than 3D human.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like those people who you know who see more, they say that, yes, everybody has their own path and personal trauma or personal success, but there's some collective agreement that we as species and humanity agree to certain conditions that are on the planet here and, no matter what your personal story is, we all participate in the same conditions, uh, set up for whole humanity. So those, those things are interesting to see the collective dependencies.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's not easy to um unhook yourself from it it's not easy we're almost at the end of our hour and um, just sort of, as we touch on that, that collective um, I wonder if we could kind of um you could talk to, um, that kind of change in awareness that is more collective. For probably people who've been listening to this podcast and you know people that I follow in social media and the sort of people that I talk to, there's this shift happening and we can see it in the, you know, mainstream governments and that sort of thing know the uh. There's like a breaking down of of uh, old traditions. Yes, can you sort of talk to that and how that's kind of like potentially moving us to more, more towards uh, some kind, some kind of more collective life, existence, world.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yes, I have this overall feeling that more and more people are hungry for authenticity, that people are tired of those facades they have to put into the world how they need to be seen or how they need to perform and they have to hide their authentic inner child speaking with this language. So more and more people are tired and they don't want to be this anymore, live in this pretended world. They want to be themselves. So you can see it on many levels. Even when I watch, sometimes a show about doctors or some series or lawyers or policemen, all those popular series you can hear more and more dialogues. You know the actors talk to each other. It reflects that Even the simple dialogues in simple police movies.

Speaker 2:

Yes, there is more awareness coming and destruction is needed because before anything can, before any, I mean destruction. I'm not talking about destruction of earth, but decomposition of the old structure. It needs to happen before a new structure can be built and even our brain does it. When you have a child and you observe how the child develops and has the developmental crisis it's called in psychology. So suddenly, for example, your child is capable of using scissors and cutting things out and it's like an achievement and suddenly the child wakes up one day and the kid doesn't know how to use the scissors and doesn't know how to cut, for example, and the mom thinks, oh, you're in a bad mood. No, the brain achieves a certain kind of complexity and it's ready to go to another level of complexity but needs to deconstruct. So so the whole structure falls apart. So the new structure, more complex structure on the next level can be built.

Speaker 2:

And this is the crisis where where suddenly everything is like I don't know who I am, I don't know how to do, I don't know how to hold my scissors right. So we can observe it on the collective level too, that everything is deconstructed. People don't know who they are, people, all things that were hidden somewhere deep in closets. Suddenly they come out. They're coming out now and really disrupting the whole view of how things should look in the world and among people.

Speaker 2:

So this is a process, because it's a global process, it won't take a month, it will take some years, I bet I don't know how many but I think if we go through those difficult times now and so much chaos going on, it is the deconstruction part of the process. So then the new collective awareness can be constructed, yeah, and we will function better in more harmony, more in depth, more authentically, more connected to our deeper self. And the more connected we are to deeper self, the more connected we'll be to others too. I think it's all going this way yeah, I think you're right yeah that was beautiful.

Speaker 1:

Um, a great description. Um, and I've um, it's it is a time of of great change. Um, people get very fearful and it's that and it's almost like uh, replicates what's going on on the inside. When I was saying you, know you're kind of holding on to all of those things that you think you are there's a little bit of that going on as well, isn't it? It's like well, how do I fit in? What does this mean for me?

Speaker 1:

and so, the work that you do and I've got your book here I recommend to everyone. And you've got um youtube channel as well so people can use your tapping techniques with a guided meditation. We say um to go with that they can help us to to work on those inner structures so that we can manage what's going? On in the outer better and feel more connected to that experience.

Speaker 2:

Yes, it's the same, like with the trust. The inner parent starts trusting the inner child exactly, knows not, knows, feels what the child is and what it wants and what's the best. It's the thinking part that needs to trust and connect. The same happens when people trust themselves more and more, the deeper self themselves more and more. The deeper self, the more trust in the process. They will have less fear about all those changes Because there's deep knowing that it's not destruction in the sense that everybody is going to die. It's just a shift, it's a transformation, it's going to another level.

Speaker 2:

Yes's difficult. Yes, sometimes there will be challenges, but it's, it's not against, it's just a part of the process. And if there is the deep trust that everything is okay, exactly as it's supposed to be, then you will go through those changes more in harmony, with less stress, with this trust that there's the other side of it. But it all depends on how well we are connected to the deeper self, which is the inner child, because the inner child always will lead you the best path, the least resistance for you. But there needs to be trust of the inner parent, to the gut that really knows for you what's best yeah, amazing, see, we didn't run out of things to talk about yes

Speaker 1:

okay, um cassius, it's so great to have you on the podcast again. I really appreciate your time and I'm looking forward to seeing all of the things that are unfolding for you in your life and work. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us.

Speaker 2:

Yes, thank you so much for having me again and it was a pleasure to share my ideas and feelings.

Speaker 1:

And thank you, no worries, thank you ideas and feelings and thank you. No worries, thank you. Before you go, can I ask you a small favor? If you've enjoyed this show or any of the other episodes that you've listened to, then I'd really appreciate it if you took a couple of moments to hit subscribe. This is a great way to increase our listeners and get the word out there about all of the wonderful guests that we've had on the podcast. If you'd like to further support the show, you can buy me a coffee by going to buymeacoffeecom. Forward slash, life, health, the universe. You can find that link in the show notes. Thanks for listening.